To wonder if the allegations Harry has made against his brother might be true?

[pearlearringgirl]

We put the royal family on a pedestal, however they are a family with potential issues and dysfunction like a lot of families have.

I just find myself wondering if these allegations might have some truth behind them and what that might mean for the future of the royal family.

I also wonder what Dianna would think of this feud between her two boys. I expect she would be very sad…

I dont.
Harry is often economical with the actualite. and we’ve seen his fiery temper

hearing his petty jibes about William loosing his hair is so nasty and just emphasises engenders a deep sympathy for William, who has probably put up with a lot over the years due to Harry’s intense jealousy.

I don't think William has anything for harry to be jealous of. I don't thinks jealousy he feels, I think its disgust and hurt.

i think it’s jealousy - his remarks about William looking less like Diana when he started losing his hair were very telling. And that wasn’t the only jibe he’s made about baldness - the comments about the dual picture being another one.

as boys, William was the heir, the older brother, who was taller and better looking and clever. And very close to Diana, to the extent of passing tissues under the bathroom door when she was sobbing inside. Which mus5 have been very distressing for William.

If you are talking about the fight, why would it not be true? Brothers do fight sometimes, it happens. They were frustrated with each other and normal communication broke down. I see no reason why Harry would lie about it.

Yes, I think it likely there was some pushing and shoving. Not commendable in grown men. I don't buy the story that Harry was completely innocent and William reacted with violence with no provocation. I suspect they both lost their tempers and shoved each other. Not admirable or great role models. Just being human.

@mixedrecycling It wasn't quite like that. William started the fight but it wasn't an assault as such. He expected Harry to fight back, in much the same way as they'd done in the past. It wasn't a case of him losing his temper and regretting it. In fact he encouraged Harry to retaliate and was furious when he didn't. Quite why W got so annoyed in the first place is hard to tell. We can never truly form worthwhile opinions on this whole thing without hearing William's side, and that's never going to happen. I believe W is no more perfect than his brother, and it's entirely possible that Harry has reason to feel unfairly treated, but it was definitely unwise of him to broadcast everything to the world. Unfortunately he's allowed bitterness to get the better of him.

It wasn't quite like that

it wasn’t quite like that in Harry’s truth
and we all know how unreliable that can be.

william has never spoken publicly about it. Good for him. Somethings should stay private.

all that Harry achieved through telling that tale was worldwide laughter

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/video/jimmy-kimmel-mocks-harry-william-170456607.html

No of course William wasn’t the main character in Harry’s book, but the few times he’s mentioned William made him out to be a villain. You talk about being mean, what about when Harry described William’s balding and losing his resemblance to his mother? Or when he mentioned William being circumcised? It’s been discussed that Diana had mentioned William being her soul mate and people who knew her have spoken about how much she leaned on william, to the point he was actually parentified, and william was the one who didn’t get along well with Charles because of what happened with Diana. And again you keep talking about the book as though it’s the truth, have you read this recent trial where Harry has contradicted his witness statement with those he wrote in his book and he can’t even tell which one is the truth? Also, he’s admitted in court he can’t remember much of anything so why are you willing to believe someone who has admitted his memory is poor and has either lied or contradicted himself numerous times?

Grown men fall out and shove each other

how is this remotely interesting?!

Why? This recent trial revealed that some of the things he mentions in his book contradicts his witness statement and he’s also admitted he can’t remember much of anything. What then makes Harry so believable? I just can’t with this, why is William sly? Because Harry said so? The same Harry who believes that the info in the articles written about him were obtained illegally despite there being no evidence except his suspicions?

Why do you believe Harry? Why? His court testimony showed his book contradicted his witness statement, and he’s admitted he can’t remember which version is the truth. Harry has made accusations against the media for obtaining stories about him through illegal means, but you’re saying that william was leaking against him? Where’s the proof? And no, Harry saying he believes it to be so due to his suspicions doesn’t make it the truth. Those horrible stories about Harry and Meghan could have come from the staff that they bullied, without William having been involved at all. Also, there’s still negative stories about Harry and Meghan coming out from the USA, especially about the state of their marriage, who do you think is leaking about that this time? William had the guts and brains enough to take on the media by figuring out that he was being hacked and actually going to the police about it. He helped to expose the widespread hacking that was going on at the time it was happening. There is no evidence that william has leaked against Harry, and him not speaking out to the media doesn’t make him a coward. Its called being smart about how to maintain his privacy in the midst of living a public life. William is sensible and smart unlike Harry, perhaps that’s what you meant when you said he was sly.

We are only relying on Harry’s truth, and he’s already proven himself to be an unreliable narrator. Someone who has contradicted his own facts and stories. Someone who has admitted having a poor memory. For all we know, it might have been Harry who shoved William first, and we wouldn’t know because we only have Harry’s version (to make himself look better) to go on. All I know is that Harry is definitely, undeniably proven to lash out violently at people (unprovoked), when he gets upset or because he feels like it. He admitted in his own book of having slapped his bodyguard, he was caught on camera shoving a photographer and ended up injuring him, one of the Foo fighters shared the story that he was slapped by Harry and he couldn’t retaliate because of Harry’s security. The only time we ever witnessed William losing it publicly due to a photographer following and taking photos of him and his family, he was still controlled and calm enough in his manner and the most he did was to call his security. There was no physical violence involved.

Of course there is truth in it

you keep asking why people believe Harry! people have different opinions and views than you. lots and lots of people believe Harry! I don't agree there are contradictions in his witness statement and I do not agree he says he can't remember which version is the truth, that's your interpretation and view but its certainly not fact. I think there is evidence William leaked, because stories nobody else could tell were printed, about intimate conversations. SO if Willy can do it, harry can tell his own versions, good for him.
I think all the royals that play along with the press and their disguising behaviour to make life easier for themselves are absolutely cowards, they know the same thing will happen to their partners and kids and they play along, It isn't a noble character trait to withstand illegal and immoral invasions of privacy at all. In fact its disturbing, truly disturbing and it does not say great things about them.

pearlearringgirl · 05/01/2023 14:20
We put the royal family on a pedestal,

Really? Who does that?
I favour an hereditary Head of State over electing a President every 5 years, but I certainly don't "put them on a pedestal".

Can't understand those who say, "They're no better than us". Why should they be? Good, bad and indifferent - like everyone else.

"They're no better than us". Why should they be?

Because they are treated like they are, special laws or exemptions, money from the public, titles and curtseys, enormous privilege.
Electing a head of state is democratic, hereditary heads of state is not

Well said
I wish there was a Republican board where we could discuss this freely and in more detail

why are you willing to believe someone who has admitted his memory is poor and has either lied or contradicted himself numerous times?

exactly.

Remember that everything we know about Harry is being filtered through the malign lenses of the press which he is currently engaged in sueing. Of course all of the reporting is skewed, inaccurate and biased against him. I don’t know how people can’t see this!

I don't agree there are contradictions in his witness statement and I do not agree he says he can't remember which version is the truth, that's your interpretation and view but its certainly not fact.

You don't agree that he said he couldn't remember which version was the truth? Just like Harry, you would rather stick to opinions/suspicions rather than facts. That says it all. And no, it’s not my interpretation, when it came from Harry’s own mouth:

During Harry's live witness testimony, Green told Harry the two versions contradicted each other and asked which was accurate.
The prince initially replied: "I wrote it when I was 38 years old. In this story, I was 18."
Green said "The point is the account of what you wanted," and Harry replied: "I assume I would have wanted a meeting."
The attorney pressed Harry further asking: "Does that mean that the statement in your witness statement was inaccurate?"
Harry said at the time he was in the Australian outback. Green pressed further asking whether he wanted a meeting or not. The prince said: "I cannot remember whether I wanted a meeting or not."

https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-court-statement-contradicts-book-spare-1804804?amp=1

I think there is evidence William leaked, because stories nobody else could tell were printed, about intimate conversations. SO if Willy can do it, harry can tell his own versions, good for him.

Are you kidding me? The only intimate conversations that's been leaked came from Harry directly, and Harry claims that the private info that's been published in articles came from phone hacking. You choosing to believe that William is leaking (just coz you support Harry) doesn't make it reality. This is just your poor attempt at justifying what Harry did against his own family, especially his brother, because to admit that he just did to his brother what he's accused the media of doing would make it difficult for you to support harry’s claims. It's clear you're choosing not to believe the facts when you're even willing to ignore the things that Harry has been forced to admit in his court case.

And yet you support Harry, the same guy who continues to use his titles and expects everyone to treat him like he was the second coming because he was born into the royal family.

@MamoruHisaishi - if you are not a barrister- maybe you should be!

an impressively forensic dissection of Harry and why to take what he says with a ton of salt.

Yes I do support Harry, get over it, and please stop the personal attacks.

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did all that salt get in your eyes?

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