To wonder if the allegations Harry has made against his brother might be true?

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We put the royal family on a pedestal, however they are a family with potential issues and dysfunction like a lot of families have.

I just find myself wondering if these allegations might have some truth behind them and what that might mean for the future of the royal family.

I also wonder what Dianna would think of this feud between her two boys. I expect she would be very sad…

Yeah and the publishers definitely printed it without legal advice

This book will have been vetted by lawyers for any potential defamation issues so it is probably true yes.

No surprise to me that the family dynamics and behaviours are toxic. What else would you expect but a sense of entitlement and freedom to behave badly (in private) from growing up in such an unusually privileged and emotionally unhealthy environment!

What that 2 brothers had a fight. Isn't that normal ?

@Georgeskitchen just found it and I am CRYING 🤣🤣🤣

She was 96!!! That is not an early grave.

Early grave 🤣

I have 3 sons so yeah, I believe it is true.
however the problem is Harry’s narrative is always him as the victim, the one who’s hard done by and the one who has suffered the most. He never, ever seems to take any responsibility and continuously blames other people for his “such hard life”.

Well you would need the patience of a saint not to be tempted to give Harry a good thump, it is the right of the older brother to try and bring his younger wayward brother back into line. Unfortunately just like with my dp and his brother the wife is the one that is offended by this (minus the thump, just a damn good telling off in my case) and orders her husband to also be offended and the dutiful puppy agrees. Hence a family feud that will never be resolved due to obeying wifey to be permanently "offended"

I have to say I am loving this, because it is like watching my own life unfold infront of my very eyes. I am the Kate in all this you understand. Quiet and dignified.

I expect it's true and I still think Harry is a twerp. He should not have gone public with any of this. It makes him look pathetic.

This is Harry’s version of the truth, William and others will have their versions of the truth and somewhere in the middle is a balanced version of the truth.

No one should resort to physically manhandling anyone but the description indicates it was a grab and knock and not a punch. I’m not condoning the grab but can see it may have inadvertently led to H being knocked on the floor.

The difficulty for me is matching up inconsistencies in the book, Oprah interview and Netflix. Some I believe are due to M being American, others due to H not telling M the reality of royal life, but others seem baffling. For example if H contacted his therapist why did he not contact his therapist to get help for M when she was suicidal? Why would the RF/W brief the press that H felt W was bullying him over Megxit then issue a denial?

I do think H and M have shown a lack of reflection on their own behaviour and accountability for decisions they made. How are the interviews and book any different from what Thomas Markle did/has done?

Personally I think H will in the long term regret being so open about family relationships and what should have been private family conversations.

I don't believe it. It takes more than a shove to the collar to push a 6ft tall, fit man in his 30s to the ground. And I've dropped dog bowls from table top to the tiled floor with little damage - you'd have to sling one against the wall to get it to shatter!

If it were true I'd think less of William. Because I can't stand people who resort to violence. But I can't see that it happened as described. Perhaps if he claimed William rugby tackled him or actually punched him it'd make more sense (and I'd defo be on Harry's side).

It’s hard to say.

Sounds believable. But then it all does, yet it doesn’t square. So it all can’t be true. And so take a wild guess 🤷‍♀️

Exactly
Some will be true, some exaggeration, but most of all what's missing is context and the other side of the story

I'd imagine this book has been written to head off any revelations that might harm MMs political career.

I thought the bit about the Nazi uniform was pretty shit. He really hates W and K doesn't he.

My mother wouldn’t be sad. She’d be telling us to pack it in and threatening to bang our heads together!

(I’m a twin, she figured a no nonsense approach was best pretty early 😉)

I’m sure that what’s been said is true, although cherry picked and presented so as to create a particular picture (and therefore not the whole story).

What I can’t help but feel is that Harry has given up everything now- probably burnt his bridges with his family and humiliated himself in front of the world- and Meghan has given up nothing. Fairly sure we won’t be getting an equivalent book from her. He seems very exposed and vulnerable.

I suspect the book has not been scrutinised too closely because the publishers know that the royals will rarely sue. Legal action will just prolong and feed the story and rarely brings closure, see the Jonney Depp /Amber Heard debacle.

The kitchen incident is not new because Robert Lacey referred to it in his earlier book about the brothers . I doubt if there was any real violence as the private detectives would have stepped in. As has been previously said ‘recollections may vary’

Have you read 'Spare'? If not, it's worth reading. You can't get any clear idea from bits and pieces in the media. Then form your own opinion. My opinion is that Harry makes some good points but that he's unnecessarily cruel ie the bullied has turned bully. As regards your point about William's lack of response, he's much less able to comment, being heir to the throne. Physical violence? It does seem as if the two always used to behave like that, so William was just carrying that on, while Harry had decided to move on. But hard to tell, when we're only getting one side. However it does seem that Wills and Kate gave been unreasonably snobbish towards Meghan, not to mention xenophobic, telling her we don't talk like that in this country. I'm sure they talked about more at Eton than pregnancy hormones so their shock didn't ring true.

What allegations? They they got into an argument and harry ended up in the dog bowl?

I think most people believe a confrontation occurred. I think most people believe meghan caused a lot of problems between them.

As for a pedestal. You may have them on one but most people don't.

telling her we don't talk like that in this country. I'm sure they talked about more at Eton than pregnancy hormones so their shock didn't ring true.

catherine didn't go to Eton 😳

I think it was pretty unanimous on mumsnet at the time, it rude to talk to any woman as having 'baby brain'.

No, Kate went to some other expensive school but Wills went to Eton, and during the conversation, poked his finger into Meghan's face, so that she had to ask him to take it away. While doing so, he was fairly horrible to her, at least that's how it comes across in the book. Nobody's so sheltered as Wills and Kate were affecting to be, and reading Harry's account of what went on at Eton there was a lot worse than talk of hormones. And baby brain is a thing. Many yrs ago I caused amusement at work when I suddenly couldn't remember the keypad code to enter a room I went into several times daily. I certainly wasn't offended when a colleague joked about the effect of pregnancy on my brain. And I'm british. You have to make allowances for someone of a different culture.

There were problems between them long before Meghan came on the scene. It's quite complicated.

and during the conversation, poked his finger into Meghan's face, so that she had to ask him to take it away. While doing so, he was fairly horrible to her, at least that's how it comes across in the book

Yes I bet it does but I think it's now quite clear that Harry's version of the truth isn't always the same as everyone else

After so many of their lies or 'inaccurancies' have been uncovered I'd take anything he says with a very very large punch of salt

If writing something down makes it true... why is Harry suing for things written down, surely they must be true?

Hahahaha! You’ve obviously watched Derry Girls! oh gosh my stomach aches from laughing again.