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The royal family

To wonder if the allegations Harry has made against his brother might be true?

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pearlearringgirl · 05/01/2023 14:20

We put the royal family on a pedestal, however they are a family with potential issues and dysfunction like a lot of families have.

I just find myself wondering if these allegations might have some truth behind them and what that might mean for the future of the royal family.

I also wonder what Dianna would think of this feud between her two boys. I expect she would be very sad…

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ginghamstarfish · 05/01/2023 16:24

Who gives a flying fuck? What siblings haven't done such things anyway (as with most of the other normal family stuff that he whinges about).

Proudofitbabe · 05/01/2023 16:25

Mumsfret1976 · 05/01/2023 14:33

I believe they're true but I don't see the big in a scuffle between brothers. I dont know Harry feels the needs to make it public.

Yes this. Harry will have absolutely played his part in their beef, but as with the entire non-stop narrative he'll only tell his side - so it's meaningless.

If he is truly happier out of it all, with his beautiful wife, kids, riches, freedom - then just enjoy. His life is better than most. This public therapy session just smacks of money-grabbing and it's amazing to me that some people give them the time of day.

FestiveAF · 05/01/2023 16:28

I’m sure that they ate based on truth, however no one gives a shit. Two grown brothers have an argument? Big deal. For me this has nothing to do with the fact they are the RF. I would be incandescent with rage if one of my siblings decided to post our families personal affairs for the whole world to see. True or not, it’s not appropriate.

diddl · 05/01/2023 16:34

But he still wanted the half in half out after this?

thebellagio · 05/01/2023 16:36

Do I think William lamped him one? Yup! Do I think William would lamp him again tomorrow if he saw him? Absolutely.

do I think Harry sat there meekly and mildly and any scuffle was completely unprovoked? No.

I think this was a six of one, half a dozen of another situation that grew out of hand.

from what I can gather, there have been numerous instances of H&M being rude - the bullying report, the tights incident, the tiara tantrum, even the Queen had to have words with Meghan. I think they were both out of order at various points.

william was in the wrong if he did hit Harry, there’s no justification for violence but until H&M can see how their behaviour has contributed towards this situation there will never be a resolution.

neither side are in the right but only one side is insisting on portraying themselves as complete victims

pearlearringgirl · 05/01/2023 16:37

FestiveAF · 05/01/2023 16:28

I’m sure that they ate based on truth, however no one gives a shit. Two grown brothers have an argument? Big deal. For me this has nothing to do with the fact they are the RF. I would be incandescent with rage if one of my siblings decided to post our families personal affairs for the whole world to see. True or not, it’s not appropriate.

if the allegations are true then it wasn’t just an argument was it, it was physical violence…

Is that not abuse or assault?

Let’s not normalise domestic violence in families, that is never ok

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Rockybooboo · 05/01/2023 16:38

Greatly · 05/01/2023 14:33

So what? They won't be the first or last brothers to have a stupid punch up.

They're not a normal family. They get enormous privileges for not doing much so if the future hits people, I'd like to know

rumship · 05/01/2023 16:39

@pearlearringgirl Oh yes poor Harry, the same guy who is boasting at killing 25 fathers/sons/grandfathers/brothers and yet when his brother supposedly shoves him were supposed to feel sorry for him. Get a Grip!

grayhairdontcare · 05/01/2023 16:41

I think it's tame in comparison to some of the fights I've had with my siblings

TheUsualChaos · 05/01/2023 16:44

Two brothers close in age, both with deep rooted trauma of losing their mother as a young age under the spotlights of global media, have arguements which in at least one occasion have resulted in a bit of a physical scuffle. Not exactly shock of the century is it?

Anyone who thinks either of them is faultless is deluded. William possibly the better of the two at controlling his public persona but then as future king, more resources are put toward protecting him than Harry perhaps. Harry has had every opportunity to live a very privileged and quiet life in recent years at least but has decided to do interviews, documentaries and now a book which by the sounds of it betrays what little trust was left in his family. Yet in the same breath he says he wants his father and brother back. Funny way of showing it.

Dillydollydingdong · 05/01/2023 16:47

Harry's problem is that he's got a chip on his shoulder because he isn't first in line to the throne. William is. He isn't even the "spare" any more because Prince George would inherit the crown if anything happened to William. And as for being cut off financially 😮he's a 40 year old man! Grow up Harry, ffs!

Cranberrystreet · 05/01/2023 16:49

I think there is probably a lot of truth in it but is it any surprise?

The whole set up is toxic.

Imagine as children being constantly fawned over and having immense privilege but rather shaky emotional attachments and being physically on the move constantly between boarding school, your parents, and the vast estates of your grandmother and trips abroad.

Imagine being loved equally by your parents but everyone else deferring just that little bit more to your older brother who would be party to special treatment, like special teas at your grandmother's which didn't include you.

Even worse, imagine if you knew that your older sibling could ultimately be able to determine your role and your wage and living circumstances and the status of your wife and children. And that knowledge becoming reality!

Imagine growing up in a family where each member had their own office with staff who were rivals to one another.

Imagine always having to give way to your older brother when it comes to protocol, family decisions, money.

And then in the middle of that toxicity, you are put under constant immense public scrutiny and you have to be very wary who you befriend outside of the family in case they sell stories about you to the papers.

I'm amazed no one has cracked before to be honest! Well, Princess Margaret probably did crack to a certain extent tbh but in those days it was possible to keep under wraps.

Perhaps this hierarchical set up worked in a more private, deferential age with old school stalwart leaders such as Prince Philip and the Queen but I don't think it works in modern times with Prince Charles at the helm.

Yes they have immense privilege but the emotional cost is too high. I think we ought to release K & W's lovely dc from the same burden and vote for a republic.

Cas112 · 05/01/2023 16:50

Do you really think he's just randomly made up a bunch of lies and put them in a book 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Kerrylass · 05/01/2023 16:51

Stickytoff · 05/01/2023 14:34

I believe Harry is absolutely telling the truth but I don’t think badly of William either although in this instance his behaviour was absolutely wrong. The family is utterly dysfunctional. Healthy family interactions simply do not happen in the family and Harry has been scapegoated and of course he doesn’t like that. But what is on offer for William and particularly his children is absolutely no picnic either. The link between the press and the royal family is absolutely awful. The intrusion is awful. The giving stories about other members to suppress other stories is horrible. William and his family will have this forever.

This in a nut shell. I wish for Harrys own Mental health that he walked away. Writing books, doing documentaries etc is only adding flames.

Rockybooboo · 05/01/2023 16:53

XanaduKira · 05/01/2023 15:48

I think this is the perfect analogy!

Well not really as of Kev andAdam down the road got married, it wouldn't be splashed all over the papers and televised as it was when a senior Royal gets married. The royal family is not the family from down the road.

Floomobal · 05/01/2023 16:53

Harry needs a good slap. If it’s true, I don’t think less of Will. I wouldn’t physically assault anyone, but I wouldn’t blame anyone at all for losing their temper with someone who is shitting all over their family, and driving their beloved grandmother into an early grave

WeWereInParis · 05/01/2023 16:54

Cas112 · 05/01/2023 16:50

Do you really think he's just randomly made up a bunch of lies and put them in a book 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I'm sure plenty of people's autobiographies contain slightly altered versions of things, and some will be outright lies.

Maybe not this incident, but I wouldn't say that the idea that it may contain things that aren't true is wildly ridiculous.

Rockybooboo · 05/01/2023 16:55

Floomobal · 05/01/2023 16:53

Harry needs a good slap. If it’s true, I don’t think less of Will. I wouldn’t physically assault anyone, but I wouldn’t blame anyone at all for losing their temper with someone who is shitting all over their family, and driving their beloved grandmother into an early grave

This happened before they left the family.

3WildOnes · 05/01/2023 16:57

I can't belive sone posters think this behaviour is normal or acceptable amongst siblings. I would be horrified if anyone I know behaved like this.

pearlearringgirl · 05/01/2023 16:58

3WildOnes · 05/01/2023 16:57

I can't belive sone posters think this behaviour is normal or acceptable amongst siblings. I would be horrified if anyone I know behaved like this.

Exactly 👏

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Cranberrystreet · 05/01/2023 16:58

Totally agree with Stickytoff

The problem is that if you are a spare then you have no defined purpose. I think Charles and his advisors are probably regretting very much not paying more attention to Harry and his future role.

Let's hope Harry can find a proper job now. He definitely needs one. One that is not anchored in faux celebrity philanthropy but out there on the front line somewhere.

hopsalong · 05/01/2023 16:59

Fed up of everything to do with Meghan but (maybe as a mother of two boys with two years between them) I find this latest revelation rather poignant.

The way I read it, William felt they were still close enough to wrestle it out, as children might, and eventually make up. Harry was observing the breach.

Ineedwinenow · 05/01/2023 17:08

3WildOnes · 05/01/2023 16:57

I can't belive sone posters think this behaviour is normal or acceptable amongst siblings. I would be horrified if anyone I know behaved like this.

Are you also horrified Harry has boasted about killing 25 people! Will just pushed Harry, Harry blew up someone’s Son, Husband, Brother or Dad (25 of them)!!

pelargoniums · 05/01/2023 17:12

3WildOnes · 05/01/2023 16:57

I can't belive sone posters think this behaviour is normal or acceptable amongst siblings. I would be horrified if anyone I know behaved like this.

Thank you! I’ve read it multiple times across the Harry threads today that this is just normal, standard, par for the course and just thought “What?!” I don’t know of any adults who resort to violence or who can’t control their emotions and would shove another adult (or anyone) to the floor. It’s not something I recognise from my own sibling relationships or that of anyone I know: it’s been a real eye-opener seeing it normalised by so many posters. (Assuming they’re not all on the wind-up.)

Wonnle · 05/01/2023 17:13

Cas112 · 05/01/2023 16:50

Do you really think he's just randomly made up a bunch of lies and put them in a book 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Well as you are asking YEP i do , but i think someone else made them up for him though

One does have staff doesn't one

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