Page 6 | To wonder if the allegations Harry has made against his brother might be true?

PicturesOfDogs · 08/06/2023 19:15

Iwantcakeeveryday · 08/06/2023 18:18

Obviously you were not derailing as you were responding to someone else's point and having a different view of what is meant. People always twist other peoples words when its someone they do not like. Harry rarely walks down the street, and not just him, William isn't casually walking down the street either! they wpiudl likely remember a casual walk to the pub, because its not a usual or regular thing I imagine.

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But he said it ‘wasn’t possible’ that anyone saw him walking the street, as he doesn’t.

That means he’s saying he never does.

If he meant he rarely walks down the street, he would have had to have said it’s possible

He wasn’t asked if it was likely, or probable, but ‘possible’.

And he said no.

What do you infer from that response?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 08/06/2023 19:20

I've already said what I think... he is referring to a particular incident, is it possible he was seen and followed walking to the venue. I don't think he means he literally never walks down the street ever. Its ok that we see it differently though.

PicturesOfDogs · 08/06/2023 19:42

Yep, I see someone saying he doesn’t want the streets to mean he doesn’t walk the streets.

You take someone saying he doesn’t walk the streets to he sometimes does walk the streets.

Maybe stick to what your opinion is next time, rather than making snidey comments about what ‘an intelligent person’ would think

Iwantcakeeveryday · 08/06/2023 20:00

PicturesOfDogs · 08/06/2023 19:42

Yep, I see someone saying he doesn’t want the streets to mean he doesn’t walk the streets.

You take someone saying he doesn’t walk the streets to he sometimes does walk the streets.

Maybe stick to what your opinion is next time, rather than making snidey comments about what ‘an intelligent person’ would think

Excuse me, who is this to? I did not make any comment about intelligence of anyone. Do not tell me how to post.

PicturesOfDogs · 08/06/2023 20:08

Iwantcakeeveryday · 08/06/2023 20:00

Excuse me, who is this to? I did not make any comment about intelligence of anyone. Do not tell me how to post.

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You’re right, I confused you with the first poster I responded to.

Apologies.

That comment made about ‘intelligent people’ was unneeded

Iwantcakeeveryday · 08/06/2023 20:10

thank you @PicturesOfDogs

00100001 · 08/06/2023 21:00

pearlearringgirl · 05/01/2023 14:20

We put the royal family on a pedestal, however they are a family with potential issues and dysfunction like a lot of families have.

I just find myself wondering if these allegations might have some truth behind them and what that might mean for the future of the royal family.

I also wonder what Dianna would think of this feud between her two boys. I expect she would be very sad…

Probably, just I imagine their father is.

TrashyPanda · 08/06/2023 21:02

behaveasbefitsthesituationwillyas · 08/06/2023 16:43

@TrashyPanda An intelligent person would see that he means he doesn't walk on streets, usually. You are clutching at straws.

Plus you have contradicted yourself as in your earlier comment you said he said he "never" walked on streets. He never said never. And he has talked about walking on streets in his book, like I explained above.

it is an either/or situation.

No, it is not, unless he said "never". Which he didn't.

Don’t be so silly.

he lied.

00100001 · 08/06/2023 21:03

smilesy · 08/06/2023 08:01

I wonder why a poster resurrected this zombie thread from January 🤔

Big Al strikes again.

TrashyPanda · 08/06/2023 21:03

Just read your post, @polkadotdalmation - thank you!
fell for it hook line and sinker

duh!!!

smilesy · 08/06/2023 21:11

00100001 · 08/06/2023 21:03

Big Al strikes again.

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😉

Nono22972 · 08/06/2023 21:17

Idontpostmuch · 08/06/2023 08:52

What political career? Surely she isn't thinking of president??? As for Nazi uniform, all three of them, H, W and M, had parts to play in the selection of the costume. All were naive and unthinking, but Harry carried the can while butter wouldn't melt in the mouths of the other two. H doesn't hate W or K, but is tired of being sacrificed all the time. W sees it differently. He doesn't see it as leaving H to take the blame, but is just following the rule 'Never complain , never explain.'

I don't think H is being unreasonable in bringing this up, but he's unnecessarily spiteful in referring to Andrew's misdemeanors. Of course, Andrew doesn't deserve any consideration, but his daughters do. I'm surprised Eugenie still speaks to him.

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I'm sorry, I just can't with the "Harry is being sacrificed", "Harry is the scapegoat" narrative.

He never takes responsibility for anything he does. His family, the press,... are always to blame. So, the nazi uniform was William and Kate's fault. I guess him getting physical with paparazzis and bodyguards and racially abusing his army colleagues was their fault too.

All of his life, people made excuses for his behaviour because people still think of him as that little boy who walked behind his mother's coffin (which was terrible)

But, people forget that Harry was one of the most beloved members of the RF for more than a decade? If you ask me, I think the palace did an incredible job of rehabilitating his image into the fun, lovable prince and that sarted right after the nazi uniform scandal. It took place right before he entered Sandhurst and he still was able to go. Had that been anyone else, their entry would have been revoked immediately but yeah, poor Harry 🙄

And if you remember during that decade, Willam and Kate actually got more negative coverage than Harry did. They were criticised a lot rightly so at times (Workshy Will, Duchess Doolittle, using the children for PR, Kate's family being too involved with the grandkids and her mum being pushy, them not letting Charles spend enough time with the grandchildren, too many holidays,...) meanwhile I remember articles at the time saying that Harry would make a better King (one article written by none other than Piers Morgan) so I feel for him in a way, the press sucks but he's had it better than most people honestly

MamoruHisaishi · 08/06/2023 21:53

Idontpostmuch · 08/06/2023 08:52

What political career? Surely she isn't thinking of president??? As for Nazi uniform, all three of them, H, W and M, had parts to play in the selection of the costume. All were naive and unthinking, but Harry carried the can while butter wouldn't melt in the mouths of the other two. H doesn't hate W or K, but is tired of being sacrificed all the time. W sees it differently. He doesn't see it as leaving H to take the blame, but is just following the rule 'Never complain , never explain.'

I don't think H is being unreasonable in bringing this up, but he's unnecessarily spiteful in referring to Andrew's misdemeanors. Of course, Andrew doesn't deserve any consideration, but his daughters do. I'm surprised Eugenie still speaks to him.

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No William and Kate didn't play a part in Harry choosing to wear that Nazi costume. He was a grown man, an adult, at the time he chose it and wore it. The responsibility to wear that costume lay squarely on him, and you dragging two people who had nothing to do with his poor decision is minimizing (as it usually happens when it comes to Harry) his racist behaviour. It also wasn't William and Kate who made him say all the racist things he's said to others, it wasn't William and Kate who made him become violent to other people, it was all Harry. I'm so fed up with this poor Harry narrative. He's not a baby!

MamoruHisaishi · 08/06/2023 22:03

pearlearringgirl · 05/01/2023 14:20

We put the royal family on a pedestal, however they are a family with potential issues and dysfunction like a lot of families have.

I just find myself wondering if these allegations might have some truth behind them and what that might mean for the future of the royal family.

I also wonder what Dianna would think of this feud between her two boys. I expect she would be very sad…

This book is his version of the truth, which I believe doesn't hold much of the actual truth, as his own witness statement contradicts some of the things he's written in his book. And he can't seem to remember much of anything as per his stance in court. He set out to humiliate and besmirch his brother when he wrote that book, all due to jealousy that he wasn't born the heir and he had a special bond with diana.

TrashyPanda · 08/06/2023 22:29

@MamoruHisaishi - you are on a roll!

AlfietheSchnauzer · 08/06/2023 22:52

What allegations? What have I missed?

Idontpostmuch · 09/06/2023 10:26

@pearlearringgirl Was in a hurry when I originally responded, so didn't answer Di question. I think she would have taken a tough line with them, told them to sort it out and refused to get involved. I think she would have stayed close to both of them and their wives. Two things here. First we have to remember that the aristocracy have a different approach to child rearing - nannies and boarding school, yet no less loving. Secondly, while the media at one point portrayed the boys as having a close relationship, they've actually never been particularly close, and have each had friends who were more like brothers to them, although Harry's close friend was killed. I also think that her own messed up mind regarding the royals may have led her to secretly enjoy all the drama. We can only speculate.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 09/06/2023 13:25

MamoruHisaishi · 08/06/2023 22:03

This book is his version of the truth, which I believe doesn't hold much of the actual truth, as his own witness statement contradicts some of the things he's written in his book. And he can't seem to remember much of anything as per his stance in court. He set out to humiliate and besmirch his brother when he wrote that book, all due to jealousy that he wasn't born the heir and he had a special bond with diana.

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did you even read the book? that's not what I got, William isn't a main character at all... and it seems unnecessarily mean to say that Diana had more of a bond with William than Harry 1 you have zero clue of the nature of their relationships with her and 2 she is their mum and always seemed to be a great mum at that so I do not doubt she made sure she invested in both her children and forming strong bonds with both of them too. I would hate someone to say that about any of my kids after I died. I really would.

polkadotdalmation · 09/06/2023 16:39

I think both boys had a good bond with their mother, just each was different. However I think Harry's actions have always been driven by jealousy of his brother, even though he had no need to. It's often the case in families and older siblings can feel unwarranted jealousy towards the baby of the family. So 6 or one and half a dozen of the other.

However William hasn't written a book slagging off his brother, or said anything against him, unlike Harry. That's the big difference. Harry can make no end of unfounded allegations against William and William has to take it. If people honestly feel sharing your spite and envy with the world and trying to humiliate someone who can't respond, then you should look at your moral compass. Harry clearly hasn't got one.

jeffgoldblum · 09/06/2023 16:40

@polkadotdalmation 👏

Iwantcakeeveryday · 09/06/2023 20:02

Well I believe what Harry said, that his brother briefed against him and some of the more horrible stories are down to him. William is sly about it, but he is no angel himself and is responsible for a lot of negativite stories about his brother and sister in law. He would never have the guts to be honest about it though, he's a coward with a giant ego who treated his brother like shit.

polkadotdalmation · 09/06/2023 20:10

Iwantcakeeveryday · 09/06/2023 20:02

Well I believe what Harry said, that his brother briefed against him and some of the more horrible stories are down to him. William is sly about it, but he is no angel himself and is responsible for a lot of negativite stories about his brother and sister in law. He would never have the guts to be honest about it though, he's a coward with a giant ego who treated his brother like shit.

Gosh, you clearly have a very close relationship with the family to know all this inside information. I wish we had such stunning insight. When was the last conversation you observed between the brothers?

Cranberrystreet · 09/06/2023 20:14

I don’t mind Wills tbh, but I believe Harry too Iwantcakeeveryday . I suspect he could have revealed far worse things than he already has.

And if I may ask polkadotdalmation I don’t quite understand how you justify continually denouncing Harry on here for criticising his brother, and other members of the RF, when you are doing exactly the same thing on here day after day criticising Harry?

Cranberrystreet · 09/06/2023 20:18

polkadotdalmation · 09/06/2023 20:10

Gosh, you clearly have a very close relationship with the family to know all this inside information. I wish we had such stunning insight. When was the last conversation you observed between the brothers?

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Well are you intimately acquainted with the royal princes Polkadotdalmation? It doesn’t stop you denouncing Harry day after day does it?

mixedrecycling · 09/06/2023 20:20

Maybe because Harry had a relationship with his brother, rather than being a random stranger? I hope Harry never needs his father and brother's support in future.

I have no idea whether William is 'sly' etc and neither do PPs.

Let's face it - 'belief' doesn't rely on proof. Belief exists in the absence of and beyond the boundaries of proof.

So what anyone on MN believes says more about them than the situation they 'believe' about .

Alternatively you can balance up evidence and come to a conclusion, but also admit that your evidence is limited and incomplete, and you have formed opinions that you would change in light of further evidence.