To wonder if the allegations Harry has made against his brother might be true?

[pearlearringgirl]

We put the royal family on a pedestal, however they are a family with potential issues and dysfunction like a lot of families have.

I just find myself wondering if these allegations might have some truth behind them and what that might mean for the future of the royal family.

I also wonder what Dianna would think of this feud between her two boys. I expect she would be very sad…

calling his friend a paki is technically racist, but his friend did seem to take it as fun. It was still wrong to say it at all, but the way it's been reported makes it seem much worse.

it couldn’t be any worse than it actually is.

it’s not exactly easy to deal with racist comments, sometimes the poor victim just has no choice but to smile weakly because they know what bullies are like, especially if they know they aren’t going to be supported in actively challenging the racist.

I look at Harry who is someone who actually was never very popular, incredibly annoying and was always foisted on William
his racial slurs are typical of unpleasant people who aren’t popular trying to put others down

when William got married Harry’s nose got put out of joint
He found it difficult to get a life partner due to his personality - even though he was the grandson of a monarch - he must have been hideous to date

Im sure Meghan didn’t know him well enough when they got married

How are they two entirely separate things? You’re the one choosing to minimise Harry’s racism and violence. But you’re right, he doesn’t go around beating up people of a different race to him, he merely killed them, kept a kill count, and compared it to like playing a video game and playing chess - and he’s not felt any guilt about it as he admitted in his book.

Notice someone mentioned Prince Phillip's 'slanty eyes' remark. I remember it at the time, outrageous. However, when he went to a town on Scotland's west coast and made remarks implying the locals were drunk most of the time, the press had a field day. The locals? They were mainly astounded that such a fuss had been made about a simple (not very funny) joke.

And this is where I feel sorry for Meghan, because even if she was thirsty for fame and might have been blinded by it when she first got with Harry, choosing to disregard the red flags I’m sure she saw early on, the reality has set in about how difficult Harry is now that she’s married to him. He set her up to fail when he didn’t teach her about the royal protocols, he used her to lash out at his family, and she seems to be the main target of vitriol and criticism instead of Harry even when he was the one who threw his own family under the bus. Plus, him not getting her mental health treatment for her suicidal thoughts due to feeling ashamed, and getting himself drugged up by inhaling and using all the gas meant for Meghan when she was in labour are just such awful things to do to his wife during the times she needed him the most.

it was a war situation, he didn't just randomly kill innocent people.
he was in the military, he would have been following orders.

@MamoruHisaishi You say H asked W for his opinion and he gave it. But if the opinion he gave was to choose the Nazi costume, then he's also racist. But in any case that wasn't the point that I was making. I was simply stating that H was not blaming W for the choice of costume, just pointing out that they had both been thoughtless and had both displayed poor judgement.

Mumsnet has asked us to refrain from making any personal comment so I will make this as general and polite as I can but I think the level of vitriol aimed at Harry on these threads has reached ridiculous levels now. What is the point of it and what is its origin?

I don’t wish to spend my afternoon combatting such an onslaught of ugly negativity.

I personally wouldn’t choose to spend my time posting so negatively about someone I had never met and I think British, American, and Australia tabloid media moguls must be rubbing their hands with glee knowing they have successfully created such a profitable wave of bile directed at a couple with two young children. Can people not see how they are being played?

Surely just knowing that they are on the same side as Piers Morgan and Dan Wootten (sp?) must give the anti-Harry brigade some cause for concern?

Each to their own. I will respectfully leave it there.

@Cranberrystreet

Thank you. Well said and you were polite and fair with it.

I am at a loss to understand what is going on. I have never seen such threads in their volume and nature against two people stand before in the 15 or more years I've been here.

And I think having free rein emboldens some people so that push back becomes impossible.

Yes to the wave of bullying bile, hating on the couple is a multi million pound industry. Just two people. Not heinous murderers. Just a couple with two young children.

I can only be grateful as to how I feel about them which swings from apathy and boredom with them... to liking them...and back again.

I have to say I agree with you@Cranberrystreet but would add that perhaps the "playing" goes both ways. Some of the knots people tie themselves in to excuse Harry's behaviour are quite mind boggling. As are the frequent "but Andrew..." comments, as if criticism of Harry has any relationship to how that poster feels about Andrew.

I think there’s a huge difference though between posting so negatively about someone, as opposed to posting in someone’s favour. The first is potentially
harmful and the second, er, isn’t.

It is harmful if it develops into personal attacks.

@jeffgoldblum

exactly, calling people bullies and racists because they don’t think Harry and Meghan are the new messiah.

I don't much care either way about Harry and Meghan. They seem to over estimate their own importance, but then have to deal with the fall out, and itis sad because I don't think they are bad people, just they don't live up to their own view of themselves.

But it seems some people here are very invested in supporting them and attacking people who point out the Emperors new clothes.

I don’t think it’s that we are invested in them so much tbh ParklifePenguin - and I think those of us who are defending them understand that just because we are doing so, doesn’t mean we think that everything they do is perfect either - because any situated related to human beings is more complicated and nuanced than that, so it’s not as simple as one thing or the other … it’s simply that we think it’s unfair that most of the world’s gutter press have gleefully whipped up the vitriol surrounding two people and now many people on social media are following suit. It’s reached the stage of unpleasant bullying imho.

Why does it bother you?

I mean, lots of people get bullied on SM, unfortunately. Do you support others?

Trying to understand, not to argue 🙂

Plenty of non gutter press have plenty of issues with H&M’s behaviour (for example the ‘near catastrophic’ car chase

or is any journalist who criticises them ‘gutter press’

But there has been racism on the board, including just this weekend when a particular vile disgusting racist post since deleted was made about a woman and defamatory things said. Nobody challenged it or objected and it was up for hours as people continued to post. It's not the first time either. That POC have to witness that here and watch them continue to post here, is wrong on every level

I have been following for a while before I registered. Didn't one of Harry and Meghan's supporter post a racist comment, similar to Diane Abbot's opinion that anti-semitism is not racist?

I am a POC. I don't think Meghan represents me.

@ParklifePenguin

I suggest you don’t go there, or the whole thread will be pulled.

Fine, and? She hasn't claimed to represent all POC nor does she need to in order not to experience racism.

I am sorry. I didn't want to get into an argument