Harry alleges/describes William physically attacking him in 2019

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www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Not really sure what to make of this tbh…

Seems to me everyone in that family is at fault, plus the people married into it, plus the people who work for them, plus the press and media, plus the public for clicking on it all the time. No one person has done everything right and on one person has done everything wrong.

But you are unconditionally believing what was said by a person known to not always have a straightforward relationship with the truth. Based on zero evidence. And then getting 'sad' when others express scepticism.

As I asked above, do you always uncritically believe unsupported accounts without wanting to hear the other side? Or just in this case?

I don't support or approve of Will Smith either; but I do understand that his wife was slighted and he lashed out. Again, not condoning it, but I don't think he should never work again. Say sorry, make reparations, do the 'time' in the court of public media and move on.

I don't get this thing of 'approving' of what William has done- who is approving? Understanding it is different than approving.

wait, is he an accuser accusing someone of something or an abuser accusing someone of something?

I think H was fine with his life until M stirred him up. can't see him being mardy about being a spare before she came along. Being a king in waiting and then king would be a nightmare. H had the better deal and seemed at peace with that at one point.

I think he is thick, being manipulated by M and either can't see it or doesn't want to.

For all the wannabe Sherlock Holmeses on this thread I would like to offer myself as example of a real person who has a number of (in my case)cat food bowls, somr metal and some ceramic. It can be done. I know this is tough to take in.

Several have done so in this very thread with regard to Meghan's victims.

but it does matter if, for example, Harry shoved first, or got aggressive or was physical at all.

Lets pretend that H and W had an argument, there were raised voices from one or both parties, one or both parties got pushed/shoved. At some point one or both parties tried to diffuse the situation. We don't know the exact details, because we weren't there.

And both parties are in "defense/accuse" mode

H may report it as: "I stayed calm, whilst he was a raging bull. I walked away but he followed me through to the kitchen where I tried again to de-escalate the situation, but he kept on going on. He shoved me in anger trying to get his point across, I fell and hurt myself"

W may report it as: "Harry was angry, angrier than I've ever seen him, he got in my face and shouted at me and I pushed him away to get out of that tense situation as he was blocking my way out of the kitchen. he then followed me to carry on the argument, and I tried to get some space between us to calm everything down"

@IcedPurple No I am not. I have explicitly said I do not care whether you believe Harry or not.
It is the making up scenarios and presenting them as facts that is tiresome.
Harry said what happened. So either post views based on what he said, or say you do not believe him.

'I'm sorry, are victims of extreme emotional and financial abuse like William supposed to remain in control of themselves when being hounded by an abuser?'

Exactly. Anyone might get exasperated but the constant manipulation , gaslighting and victim playing. Just awful that H would throw his brother under the bus like this. I hope we start to get a load of leaks of offensive stuff the Markles have said and done, I beg there's plenty of it that has been sat on thus far.

Well the sun and the daily mail have got a copy of the book so we will find out everything today I expect!

priceless, thank you 😂😂😂😂

How has Harry financially and emotionally abused William?
It was the Queen and Charles who held the purse strings, so a very strange allegation.

My view is Harry landed in the right place. Shame it broke under him though.

This is awful...a violent scuffle between the brothers is infantile and unproductive. I know Harry is painting it as being 'attacked' and him being scared and helpless, but if no one else was there are we only have Harry's version of how it played out I wonder what really happened. They both seem like pretty angry men to me.

Unless there was ongoing physical abuse, I don't think we need to hear about a one off scuffle like this amongst family, I'm sure they both deeply regret the way it played out and I would hope are ashamed enough to not let it happen again , hopefully they sorted it out between them like brothers do in these situations.

I still think it's a huge betrayal to speak publicly about it, and very clearly Harry wants to make William look as bad as possible. It's really very sad.

He doesn't want to reconcile, and until he stops attacking the family (at this stage he's just attacking William & Kate) and until he gains a bit of self awareness and takes any sort of responsibility (for himself & Meghan) reconciliation is impossible.

Taking the piss out of a man wearing a necklace. You just sound sexist.

But Harry didn't 'say what happened'. He gave an account with no evidence whatsoever, and we haven't and probably won't hear the perspective of the other parties.

So what we've got is a very partial and biased account at best. It seems reasonable to point that out. Just because you unconditionally believe him doesn't mean anyone else has to, however 'sad' that may make you feel.

The quality of wit on this thread is exceptionally low, even for this particular board.

It's irrelevant to THIS case - you could start a new thread on it though?

Really? All the doctors and paramedics he flew around in his air ambulance were aristocrats? All the officer cadets at Sandhurst were "white rich and extremely privileged"? His university tutors all from the "0.001 %" ? Rather more interaction with them than ""polite small talk at official engagements".

By turning the RF into a circus drama and profiting from it while casting aspersions on William to sell books and damaging his future as a Monarch.

End result = Harry much wealthier

Harry Is just having a massive tantrum, who would want to go near him after this.

infantile

'I'm sorry, are victims of extreme emotional and financial abuse like William supposed to remain in control of themselves when being hounded by an abuser?'

Is William a victim of emotional and financial abuse? Where has that come from?

I think William was frustrated by Meghan and he didn’t like her behaviour or her really. He couldn’t get Harry to see what he believed to be “sense” about her and got frustrated.

But really I believe there are two men who were brought up in one of the most dysfunctional families out there (children sent off to boarding school, father and mother at loggerheads having affairs left right and centre and speaking about it to the media and granny joined in, mother died) and this is the fallout.

Harry is clearly having a ‘Ratner’ moment