Harry alleges/describes William physically attacking him in 2019

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www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Not really sure what to make of this tbh…

Ha ha ha. It is fisty cuffs between emotional brothers. It happens but most families get over the odd tiff or the yearly Christmas disagreement etc.. Harry was born into a lucky, happy, expressive family yet he is acting like a jealous child. Why is Meghan not suggesting NOT to air family affairs? Could she be spurring him onward; she is not good with family relationships.

I am saddened to see people defending family violence.

What’s with all the hate for council homes on this thread and equating it with low IQ and public fights and ‘lowering themselves’?

Classism, ignorance and prejudice so openly and unashamedly expressed.

If there was violence, I bet Harry wasn’t behaving as innocently as he suggests.

Absolutely agree with this. Harry would not mention any violence or provocation from himself. But he doesn't have a reputation for being calm and rational in an argumentative situation.

If/when M decides to ditch him he will be so lost.
But maybe she won't do that. She could find a richer man, a more intelligent man, but not one of higher social status

But by giving that example you're implying that the two are in roughly equivalent positions. They're so obviously not that it's a bit of a silly comeback.

The point was: William is used to 'mingling' with his own social class. Going to a few do's where cousin Gary is also present does not negate that point, as you're perfectly capable of seeing if you choose to.

Doesn’t surprise me , William seems exactly like someone who would do that and acts like it too

As Her Majesty said “ recollections may vary “ ! How can anyone judge / comment without hearing the other side ? You are all assuming this is the truth !
Strange way to get your brother back but hey ho !

I've now got the pearl necklace scene from Phoenix Nights in my head.

Even if it's a response to family abuse? Isn't that just defending abuse?

I was hoping for dog bowl shards everywhere, spaniel going all sad puppy dog eyes, spilled dog food everywhere, someone stepping in the dog food and slipping on the tiles, scattered beads, a selfie while calling the therapist.

You know, show some effort Harold!

I think most people would think emigrating because of a row with your brother that ended up with you falling on a dog bowl is just a bit of an overreaction. Going NC fair enough, emigrating though is stretching it.

If you’ve never seen two brothers grab each other by the collar or manhandle each other then that’s on you. We’re not talking violence such as punching, kicking and hitting. R

The kind of violence women go through at the hands of men is violence.

And I'm baffled by people who unconditionally believe the account of one party to this incident. A person known to have an 'idiosyncratic' relationship with the truth and with a very obvious agenda to push.

Do you normally consider it unnecessary to hear both sides of a story? Or only in cases where you very much want to believe one side?

I have literally wanted to put my hands round my sister’s neck at times when we were younger, it didn’t make me a potential murderer or abusive person but bloody hell she’d make my blood pressure go through the roof in a way a non family member ever could.

@misslonglegs I am sad that you think violence in a family is normal and okay.
Violence being your normal does not make it okay. Plenty of parents hit their children and see it as normal. They describe it as just a smack. It is not okay.

If by do that, you mean confront his brother about the conduct of his wife towards staff, then I say fair fucks to him. He's actually gone up in my estimation. And if he was whining and wittering on about his hard life as a spare instead of engaging with that substantive issue, by God it'd be hard to hold your temper.

The more I hear the more I blame H rather than M for this car crash drama.

Yes I can imagine she was abrasive and maybe rude in her assertive go getting I'm going to be a huge success type mentality, and it rubbed the firm up the wrong way.

Staff started to use the word bully, W started shouting.

Harry should have discussed it with M & said:
Look, I think you're amazing I love your drive, but round here we can't do that brusque ordering staff around thing, we have to try to look all magnanimous and grateful, or it looks bad.

I reckon MM, actress that she is, would then have gone into full gracious Duchess mode.
I think he didn't tell her how to play it.

I think H because of all his baggage about being the spare couldn't tolerate any criticism of the women he'd chosen, so couldn't deal with it rationally and ended up in the dogs bowl.

I’m not okay with violence, not sure what made you assume that. Real violence such as smacking children that is.

This probably isn't the Mumsnet take on it, but I don't think this will play badly at all for William. Even if fighting isn't dignified, a lot of siblings have either fought or know other siblings who have rowed and fought (pushed each other anyway). I haven't and I don't justify it. But my best friend and her sister once had a screaming row and threatened each other, my male friend with two brothers definitely have scuffled- even in nice middle-class families this is not particularly exceptional even if it is undesirable.

So, a lot of people will think stand up row, William gave him a shove, so what?

It isn't great, but it's not some unheard of interaction for brothers to break into a fight or even sisters for that matter.

Excuse me, don't jump into parents smacking children. If you think something is wrong, say why it's wrong. Don't conflate all violent acts together.

Why does anyone pay any attention to him. I have had fights with my brother. Its what siblings do. Harry just wants to keep the spotlight on himself whilst also claiming to want to avoid media attention. I wish the British media would just ignore him.

The fact that he mentions he immediately called his therapist (and they picked up) shows just how out of touch he is with real life.

The vast majority in this country would have to make GP appointment, then wait weeks and weeks (if not longer) for a counselling appointment.

Even those that can afford private health care, can't just 'call their therapist' - they would need to make an appointment. The vast majority couldn't afford to just 'call their therapist' whenever they felt they needed to either.

I wonder who paid the therapy bills at that stage, I would be willing to bet they were invoiced straight to the Palace or Prince Charles office.

He lives in cloud cuckoo land.

I noticed from pictures in the Daily Fail (I know, I know) that the dog bowls were metal and plastic. But maybe this is the post-push replacement for the ceramic one.

@coolmum123.
I suspect something happened, but not nececsaily the way Harry believes.
Re the staff bullying claims. The staff may have signed NDAs, but they have relatives, and no loyalty to the RF member who 'bullied' them. This is how stuff gets out. Secondly, the high turn over of staff is a give away by itself.

@VladmirsPoutine You definitely do not speak for me and you are wrong. I'm sick of reading things like this, as its only meant to be decisive and makes lives for people like me only more difficult. Please crawl back under your rock.