Harry’s latest interview - I want my father back

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Think that ship might have sailed…and sunk!

ScotsBluebell · Today 10:15
I find the English hatred for Harry and Meghan extraordinary. It's as though people have read the Mail and the Express and the Sun and decided that the vitriol is true, every last word of it. Meanwhile, Andrew goes on his merry way with hardly any coverage at all. I'm no great royalist, but if I was, I'd definitely be on team Harry.

And I find extraordinary that people like you assume everyone who is critical of H&M reads the Mail/Express/Sun. What papers (or otherwise) do people like you read? We too are capable of thinking.

I didn't see hatred before they started putting the knife into the RF.

Andrew is hidden out of sight and keeping his head down. Not very much anyone can say about him.

If H & M had any sense they'd lie low for a bit too let the dust they've kicked up settle and move forward.

@ScotsBluebell unless I have missed something, the discussion on here has very much focussed on what Harry and Meghan are putting into the public domain themselves, the Netflix documentary, the book and the proposed interviews.

They are getting media coverage because they are actively seeking it.

Prince Andrew is not receiving coverage because he has basically hidden himself from view. There is nothing new to discuss with him. I am sure if he suddenly decided to give another interview then it would be all over the press.

sweeping statement “hate “
i think a lot of what Harry has done is very questionable why aren’t people allowed to have a view

Instead of visiting his elderly grandparents Harry trashed the family on Oprah knowing full well his grandad was dying in hospital
I really hope there is a good explanation for his horrible smirk at the end of that interview

I hope all the Harry apologists wouldn’t treat their relatives like that

As regards to Meghan she is a social climber on steroids and no one has made Harry behave like this - he chose her because he saw potential in eclipsing the RF
Harry appears a troubled and vengeful man and nothing he has said out of his own mouth has justified his behaviour so far in my opinion

I think you may be projecting ever so slightly!! Perhaps reread what I said about my 14 yo. I was contextualising the situation plus making reference to something, which happened a similar number of years prior and explaining that times change a great deal. In no way am I condoning any such behaviour and these accusations are baffling and preposterous. I ask that you do not attack me again please.

The 80s were a long time ago. When I was a teen in the 80s and had I been born 40 years prior, I would have been a teenager (not that this concept existed) during WWII. Likewise, @diddl a great many things have changed in the intervening 42 years between 1981 and now. We are ignoring reality to say otherwise.

@Rockybooboo
I did say the majority of people rather than everyone. I can well imagine some people were aghast. I was too young to form an informed opinion. I remember him being terribly old but not really much about Diana beyond the discussion around her being young and a virgin (a term I hate) and that she was distantly related to the Rf.

This subject has been much discussed on other threads by people who are old enough to remember the wedding. My parents and the adults around me saw no issue about the age gap. Your father is possibly younger than my parents and brought up with more modern values. The wedding was much celebrated across the country.

To pick up on your assessment of PA, you clearly missed the fall out of his pizza express interview and removal of his statuses at the queens funeral and since.

the lack of coverage is down to the fact that this is his punishment. He’s lost status and is effectively being frozen out/shadow banned, he’s living in disgrace. There is no positive or neutral media coverage of PA.

Check out ‘prince andrew the musical’ that was screened on a major channel over the Christmas period.

whether that’s enough of a punishment is open to debate but it’s meaningful to him and not nothing.

Mrs Harry has a spare dad, maybe she's willing to share. Oh damn I forgot, hes 'lost' too. Careless.

There was an 18 year age difference between my MiL and FIL and a 16 year age difference between my DM and DF. There is a 12 year age difference between my DB and SIL.

The difference is that my relatives were in their 20s/30s rather than 19.

@ScotsBluebell Just the English? The Welsh, Sots and N. Irish love him, do they?
Or did you mean to say British but just let a lazy stereotype get in the way?

I.don't think it's a majority ,I think there is a very vocal minority of people who are totally obsessed with H&M as you can see on mumsnet it's an echo chamber ,and the same posters will start thread after thread demonizing them and taking everything as a personal.slight against their beloved " royal family" ( even though the royal family don't give a shit about them ) and they can't see the irony that they are the ones keeping H&M relevant and in the public eye🤷

He wants to have his cake and eat it

It works both ways. Those who adore H&M are doing RF a favour. The best response though from RF is silence.

People who use public platforms to air grievances wind themselves up and get louder about their issues as Harry is.

It’s sad to see in a way as maybe it’s not just for the money. Or maybe it is who knows

This whole, if you say ever say anything slightly negative mean your all haterz is really boring now

I agree with this and it is also the attitude that M&H take - disproportionate and distorted to dialogue, debate and feedback.

I and many people I know were delighted and impressed with MM when their relationship started. There was huge positive press coverage and warm excited public sentiment for the opportunities ahead. There were of course some shocking racist posts in the U.K. media which were unacceptable and called out by PH, PW and a group of MPs.

I think then that the racist element in the press just changed to more subtle offensive racist and misogynistic language which is not acceptable and a just as appalling whilst at the same time crazy conspiracy theory / ugly racist and misogynistic SM grifters whipped up hate which again is gross.

At the same time H&M themselves displayed repeated attitudes, actions, words and behaviours that were seen as disingenuous, hypocritical and jarring to many in the public and many chose to debate and discuss these observed behaviours in forming and expressing their own opinions on a couple who choose to put their lives on a public stage.

This is very insightful. Agree.

@BreatheAndAgain "......It's the poshest soap opera....."

Yes !

I noticed this at the commonwealth service - the one where Meghan wore green? Reserved and no real interaction with anyone till PC arrived then it was ravishing smiles and delight from M towards him.

This with spades on. I would rather die standing and living life on my knees. No God , no King, only human.

Meanwhile, Andrew goes on his merry way with hardly any coverage at all.

Not much to say about the dry-skinned buffoon when he spends his days skulking away from the public gaze in luxury.

I did read recently that VG's NDA is due to expire fairly shortly which would leave her free to comment further. If that proves to be the case I'm sure there will be plenty of coverage.

The redoubtable Dennis Skinner took the oath as an MP with his fingers crossed and mumbled the lines. Sinn Fein to this day refuse to take the oath and pay fealty (great word) to the British Crown.

as you can see on mumsnet it's an echo chamber

It isn't an echo chamber. It is one of the biggest websites in Britain. Anybody can join and say their piece.

It's just a fact that most posters disagree with you. That doesn't make it an 'echo chamber'. A few years ago that would not have been the case, but through the Harkles' own actions, it is now. Not just on MN but just about anywhere you look. And not just in Britain, but pretty much everywhere. They are just not liked, and they have only themselves to blame for that.

I think it is much more complex and nuanced than that simple black and white polarisation. I am a republican. I have zero respect for the institution. I am interested in the variety of relational dysfunctions and dynamics been played out in the public domain at all levels - from H&M as a couple, siblings, colleagues, family, media, culture, race, gender, class etc.

I think it’s an extraordinary thing to witness and debate. I am not sure we have seen anything like this since the shenanigans of H mother and father - which was just Charles and Diana slugging it out in the old style media - couple of tabloid headlines each day. Now we have million times more media content - it’s instant, constant, rapidly changing, driven by influencers and general public opinion as much as MSM editors and of course the content from the main characters in the form of multiple interviews, podcasts, docuseries, books, lecture events etc

Initially I thought, thank god, now some real interviews with real reporters.
However on reflection, these interviews are part of his book deal and he is contractually obliged to promote the book. So two interviewers were picked out of hundreds of requests, and I now have no doubt all the questions have been pre prepared and rehearsed. There is no way Meghan is not involved in this promotional effort. So it's going to be more of the same vague, non specific claims and accusations. No names, no dates, no actual evidence. Frustrating as these reporters have been blocked from asking for specifics (IMO)

However Anderson Cooper is a canny reporter and I think he may be able to play Harry into giving more away than he intends. We'll see if this is just another Oprah Winfrey interview.

The haters are a minority and I suspect mostly have their own issues and yes, a lot are probably racist.

Most people I know though, and the majority of comments on this thread seem to agree, feel more like Aunts who are frustrated by Harry's behaviour. We get the back story, we understand that the royal family is weird and restrictive and we'd like to see Harry genuinely happy and on good terms with his wider family.

But for the love of god and the wee donkey we wish he'd stop blowing himself up. It's hard to watch. Every grenade he lobs harms him more than the institution and we can see him becoming more unhappy and more unwell.

I don't wish that they will separate but experience tells me that it is probable.
And I certainly don't want Harry to come to harm but again I am fearful for him. It's hard to watch someone with such poor mental health and not worry.

I agree, particularly with your last paragraph. I watched six episodes waiting for some revelation about why they feel so wounded. Nothing but vague insinuations.

I agree with most of that expect that I do not think Meghan will be involved with promoting the book. The publishers will see to that. These are Harry's memoirs. Not hers.

I expect that the publishers will insist on pre vetted questions, possibly even getting to review the finished recording. There may be a few 'hard' questions inserted for appearances' sake, but even they will have been prepared for. Then again, as you say a skilled interviewer can draw someone out without seeming to do so, just as happened with Meghan in the 'Cut' interview. I don't think she is a media savvy as some claim, and Harry certainly isn't. I guess we'll soon find out.