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Harry’s latest interview - I want my father back

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Rinoachicken · 02/01/2023 12:22

news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-says-he-wants-his-father-and-brother-back-as-trailer-for-tv-interview-is-released-12778357

Think that ship might have sailed…and sunk!

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greennavy · 03/01/2023 19:17

Oprah
Netflix
The book
Now this

Is there anything new to say?

Kgnswh · 03/01/2023 19:29

Harry is very angry, not sad. He put a proposition to the Monarch herself, she said No, “ You can’t be half in half out” End of. Then, she stripped him of his royal awards and army uniform.
She wasn’t sitting in any corner. She was Head of state. Now Harry is blaming everyone off because It was the Queen who did this to him, just as she did with her own son.

AutumnCrow · 03/01/2023 19:30

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/01/2023 18:50

You also asked 'are there supposed to be ready made comments?' which I didn't fully answer. I can if you like, using a random example, briefly?

I'd very much welcome that if you can spare the time, @AutumnCrow ... always keen to learn!!

You're welcome. If MNHQ would let me I could deploy a bot on a thread to demonstrate it!

Say I want to promote Z-lister Binky le Grande. I would pre-load the programme (which would be a freebie I'd grabbed online) with statements and answers, such as 'Binky is amazing and hard working. I really admire her work with her charities'. 'Binky is awesome. She works so hard. She supports charities and I really look up to her'.

The programme learns from the other content on the thread and starts to repeat it, 'intelligently', and/or I add to it manually from my laptop while watching Emmerdale and getting distracted. I'd maybe programme my BinkyFanBot to respond to certain trigger words, or to post at certain times of the day. That's why bots tend to have a repetitive nature about them and can veer into bizarre gobbledygook until course-corrected, unless they are very sophisticated which is time-consuming.

LadyEloise1 · 03/01/2023 19:39

cyclamenqueen · 03/01/2023 18:22

It wasn't quite as simple as her just upping and leaving.It was a grim marriage , Johnnie Spencer admitted that he 'slapped' his wife. They struggled to conceive an heir and when baby number three was born and was a boy Frances probably thought she was safe but he died. She was sent by her ghastly mother in cohoots with her dh to all sorts of vile 'doctors' to try to 'cure' her of not being able to produce a son and then she produced Diana , so Diana always felt unwanted. Finally she had a boy and the marriage was over in all but name. That would have been it but then Frances fell in love and wanted to leave, initially she took the two youngest but was apparently persuaded to return for a last family Christmas and then thrown out without the children.She thought she would get custody but her mother testified that she was an unfit mother because she disapproved Diana did spend time with her mother who remarried and ended up running a postoffice in a Scottish island.

Diana must have been massively damaged and was a selective mute apparently for several years, she was certainly very odd at school but I think things improved when she was a teen. Her mother was against her marrying PC, she was worried that she might not produce a male heir etc . Her father was determined to get one of his girls married to PC I think she was desperate for his approval and attention, once he had custody he was rarely around and sent them off to boarding school

I feel sorry for Diana's mother. I always feel she got bad press.
Apparently as @cyclamenqueen states above, it was an abusive marriage.
In those days, a male aristocrat had so much power. He was also supported by his mil against his wife.
Diana's 2 older sisters have never spoken publicly, to my knowledge, of their childhood and what happened re their mother.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/01/2023 19:39

Once again warmest thanks, @AutumnCrow - I really do wish that others who profess themselves "IT trainers" explained things like this, but usually I'm lost by about the second sentence whereas I understand yours clearly

One of the main points I hadn't realised is that, rather than always having to "press a button", these things could be set up to post automatically ... seems a bit weird to me, but there you go

I'm not going to assume anything about odd sounding posts since I still don 't have enough background for that, but at least I'll now know what all the talk of bots means so very many thanks again Flowers

Georgeskitchen · 03/01/2023 19:43

Walnutwhipsarenothesame · 03/01/2023 15:32

Then there was Charles Spencer and that very out of order speech at Diana’s funeral. There’s something very odd about them generally.

And neither did Charlie Spencer stand by his promise that the princes' " blood family" would care for them. He did sweet F.A!!

TheCockatoosCrest · 03/01/2023 19:44

Charles has really been very clever in inviting them to the Coronation. It immediately makes him look kind and forgiving. It leaves Harry and Meghan with a very difficult decision. Decline invitation - rejection of olive branch, admission no longer 'Royal' and no publicity or photographs. Removed from the picture at the Royal event of the year. Persona non grata. Also doesn't sit well with the repeated line that the Royals refuse to reconcile.

Accept the invite. As a Royal Duke, Harry has get all the dress up on and physically kneel to the King and swear his allegiance. Individually. Really??? Taking the knee to the King and the racist organisation he is head off. This takes on greater symbolism with the taking of the knee for BLM and football against racism etc.

The only other option would be to renounce their own titles so he doesn't have to do that and attend as family members - like Zara and Mike Tindall etc.

So clever of Charles to turn this decision to them.

Glindara · 03/01/2023 19:48

greennavy · 03/01/2023 19:17

Oprah
Netflix
The book
Now this

Is there anything new to say?

You’ve forgotten the magazine interviews, podcasts, speaker engagements and awards ceremonies….

x2boys · 03/01/2023 19:48

TheCockatoosCrest · 03/01/2023 19:44

Charles has really been very clever in inviting them to the Coronation. It immediately makes him look kind and forgiving. It leaves Harry and Meghan with a very difficult decision. Decline invitation - rejection of olive branch, admission no longer 'Royal' and no publicity or photographs. Removed from the picture at the Royal event of the year. Persona non grata. Also doesn't sit well with the repeated line that the Royals refuse to reconcile.

Accept the invite. As a Royal Duke, Harry has get all the dress up on and physically kneel to the King and swear his allegiance. Individually. Really??? Taking the knee to the King and the racist organisation he is head off. This takes on greater symbolism with the taking of the knee for BLM and football against racism etc.

The only other option would be to renounce their own titles so he doesn't have to do that and attend as family members - like Zara and Mike Tindall etc.

So clever of Charles to turn this decision to them.

Charles is Harry's Dad and Harry's children's Grandad he will always be Dad and Grandad of course he's going to invite this son and his sons family to the coronation.

LadyEloise1 · 03/01/2023 19:57

Despite Charles S (and Diana) speaking of the sadness they felt when their parents split up, is he on marriage No. 3 plus other partners in between and 7 children from these 3 marriages ?

Diana's uncle, his mother's brother, Lord Fermoy sadly took his own life at 45 in 1984.

Melm22 · 03/01/2023 19:59

For me, the wording doesn't sit right!

"I would like to get my father back. I would like to have my brother back"

Rockybooboo · 03/01/2023 20:00

Serenster · 03/01/2023 18:56

Diana must have been massively damaged and was a selective mute apparently for several years, she was certainly very odd at school but I think things improved when she was a teen. Her mother was against her marrying PC, she was worried that she might not produce a male heir etc . Her father was determined to get one of his girls married to PC I think she was desperate for his approval and attention, once he had custody he was rarely around and sent them off to boarding school

I have read a bit about Diana’s awful childhood before, and find it rather frustrating when posters here and elsewhere write as if Diana was a well-adjusted and perfectly mentally healthy 20 year old when she got married to Charles, and that all her later mental health issues can be laid at his doors. It quite obviously wasn’t the case. She very likely imagined herself in love with the Prince of Wales, but it’s also quite likely she had deep-seated reasons of her own for wanting the marriage, not least impressing her father and/or escaping an unhappy family and becoming fully independent/independently wealthy. They were obviously not well suited, and both were the product of unhappy childhoods. Add in the massive public interest and no wonder it all turned out badly…

That makes it all the more disgusting that the Royal family exploited her. I think Archie and Lillibet are best kept away.

Lovely13 · 03/01/2023 20:02

My brothers have done the same thing. Not on Netflix and Oprah, obvs. But total breakdown of trust. They will never speak again, I fear. We also lost our mother when we were children. There’s so much in mother loss and the failure of helping young people deal with it. Whether you’re royal or ‘ordinary’, it breaks families if not dealt with well.

Aspiringmatriarch · 03/01/2023 20:07

Georgeskitchen · 03/01/2023 19:43

And neither did Charlie Spencer stand by his promise that the princes' " blood family" would care for them. He did sweet F.A!!

No, and I don't think he stood by Diana when she was alive either. I get bad vibes all round from him.
I think King Charles is actually likely a far kinder person than CS. I hope they cam get back on track, privately. William - I don't think that will happen, he gives off fairly unforgiving vibes to me.

Nowdontmakeamess · 03/01/2023 20:10

wentworthinmate · 03/01/2023 18:08

They don't trust her father, Thomas Snr and have nothing to do with him. They are basically getting the same treatment from Charles and William! Sucks Harry doesn't it? As someone else said on here, 'professional victim'.

Exactly! They are such massive hypocrites

onlylarkin · 03/01/2023 20:15

Sallybates · 03/01/2023 18:53

www.londonworld.com/people/camilla-meghan-markle-piers-morgan-jeremy-clarkson-3959489
says she hosted it. That implies choice in guests. If so rather inappropriate

I do not believe she hosted that event.

But she did hand pick him to be the presenter at her Camillas Daily Living Guest Editorial dinner last summer.

onlylarkin · 03/01/2023 20:16

Sorry, it was the ITV special, not dinner.

Bouledeneige · 03/01/2023 20:17

I dont think bowing to King Charles should have been a big deal for Harry - if he found it humiliating then he only needs to check in with himself. He spent his whole life bowing to his grumpy Granny, falling in rank and order behind the line of succession and bowing to his father like every other member of his family. He did have the choice not to be there of course - he could have stayed away as an independent adult living in peace and harmony with his wife and children.

Hay is sadly as damaged as his mother. He's like someone trapped in his first session of therapy - blaming his parents for everything. He needs to move on to the next stage of self awareness recognising his own agency and choices in life and lending an example to his children. It's far better to show them how to live with humility and purpose and how to make a positive difference through hard work. Not living his life as a victim and leech thinking the world owes him a living. Hello! There are many people struggling to feed and clothe their children not worrying about the titles their children get. It's outrageous and tone deaf.

Glindara · 03/01/2023 20:24

x2boys · 03/01/2023 19:48

Charles is Harry's Dad and Harry's children's Grandad he will always be Dad and Grandad of course he's going to invite this son and his sons family to the coronation.

I can’t understand why anyone would consider there was any alternative considered given previous precedent of inclusion at PP funeral, PJ and HMQ funeral - all of which were after the OW interview.

Many people have problematic family relationships - if at least one side chooses dignity and not to fuel it - it keeps a door open for later down the road.

I doubt they are too worried about what he will say. These media storms are tomorrows chip paper soon enough but family is for the long haul.

I expect PH is feeling a mix of emotions from hurt, rage, frustration, loss and loneliness with regards to his DF and DB - and these feelings will be amplified by their silence and disconnection as well as the unresolved grief for his mother which often expresses itself again when we have our own children.

Pleasebeafleabite · 03/01/2023 20:28

Creepinglight · 03/01/2023 09:22

I actually think Harry expresses it very well when he says he wants to be in a family not an institution.
I think he is massively fucked up and massively traumatised and he has correctly identified where that stems from.

Yes he is publicly self destructing, but by God I feel sorry for him.

And I find the harshness and judgement from people on here who clearly have no understanding, and no desire to understand, how damaging he has found the dynamic and life he was born into, rather unedifying.

To be fair he seemed just fine before he met Meghan

Capri3 · 03/01/2023 20:39

TheCockatoosCrest · 03/01/2023 19:44

Charles has really been very clever in inviting them to the Coronation. It immediately makes him look kind and forgiving. It leaves Harry and Meghan with a very difficult decision. Decline invitation - rejection of olive branch, admission no longer 'Royal' and no publicity or photographs. Removed from the picture at the Royal event of the year. Persona non grata. Also doesn't sit well with the repeated line that the Royals refuse to reconcile.

Accept the invite. As a Royal Duke, Harry has get all the dress up on and physically kneel to the King and swear his allegiance. Individually. Really??? Taking the knee to the King and the racist organisation he is head off. This takes on greater symbolism with the taking of the knee for BLM and football against racism etc.

The only other option would be to renounce their own titles so he doesn't have to do that and attend as family members - like Zara and Mike Tindall etc.

So clever of Charles to turn this decision to them.

I agree.

In the footage of HMTQ’s funeral, Harry and Meghan didn’t appear to be singing “God Save The King”, so it will be interesting to see what happens. It’s possible that Meghan still didn’t know the words 🤔, but Harry had no excuse.

KingsAndPants · 03/01/2023 20:45

Are you sure Harry didn't sing the national anthem?

I find it sad that Harry is undermining the monarchy but he is his mother's son as he repeatedly stated in the Netflix programme and obviously holds a massive grudge.

It's embarrassing, rather than publicly airing his dirty linen, he should move forward with love and humility. He's rich beyond imagination, he has only ever been the spare so nothing new here. He's still a million times better off than the majority of people on this planet. He will be remembered as a Sir Spoilt Whingebag.

ArcaneWireless · 03/01/2023 20:49

I thought that too capri and that was when any sympathy left me. At best he looked unenthusiastic. He certainly didn’t sing much of it.

I was too busy looking at him than looking at Meghan so I didn’t notice if she sang or no. Probably another thing he didn’t prepare her for.

ThePoshUns · 03/01/2023 20:50

It's a shame that yet another royal event means that the focus will be on H&M and how they interact with everyone else, if they do go.

ArcaneWireless · 03/01/2023 20:50

I’m still forgetting and singing Quing.

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