If you watched all of Netflix H&M

[antelopevalley]

I have finally watched all episodes. It was much better than I was expecting and bore no resemblance to what was talked about for hours and hours by some posters on here.
I am interested in discussing the programme with people who have watched it all. What struck me was:

1. Harry clearly says Charles leaked the content of Harrys private letter to Charles, to the press.
2. William when younger had agreed with Harry that neither of them would behave as Charles had with his press office. But William went back on that and behaved the same way.
3. The Palace leaked the location of where Harry and Meghan were staying in Canada.
4. The small number of social media accounts run by mainly white middle-aged women who push hate for both of them but especially Meghan.
5. The myth that Meghan is controlling Harry is recognised by him as misogyny.

I think they were clearly right to leave.

Of course it's the RF the press refers to when they quote "sources".

@meinteresamucho The Royal Family asked to see the footage before commenting. Your comment is the earlier lie they told.

They were trying to ascertain whether this was a legitimate email address. When they didn't get a reply (and nobody has refuted that they didn't get a reply as far as I'm aware although again correct me if I'm wrong) they assumed that it wasn't legitimate. I think almost anyone else would do the same. How are they to know what third parties are involved in each and every one of H&M's many many projects?

They are a tiresome, self obsessed and superficial pair and I have them on ignore. I suggest we all spend our valuable time listening to people who actually do something useful or have something important to say

@silentpool Thanks for your opinion. Not at all relevant to the programme though.

Funny how you're on this thread then 🤔

@meinteresamucho The Royal Family said to verify the email address they emailed the Sussexes and Netflix and did not get a reply. Not surprised they did not have a reply. They do not even say who they contacted at Netflix. An email asking is this email legitimate to a general Netflix email inbox is not going to get a reply.
Programmes are virtually always made by third party production companies. The Royal Palace Communications Office would have known that and could have easily verified them. I assume it was Story Syndicate that contacted them for comments.

Offering advice 😂

The Sussexes not replying is kind of a big deal though. It's not like they're a multinational organisation with thousands of employees. And surely Netflix would have been expecting contact from the palace who were the subject of their biggest production in history pretty much. They would have been looking out for it. It sounds like they took perfectly reasonable steps to verify the source and I can't see how they weren't justified in disregarding them since they didn't hear back. People claiming to be who they're not aren't exactly unheard of when it comes to the royals.

Why would the Sussex reply or even see the email?
Netflix say the Palace said they wanted to see the programme beforehand and Netflix refused. So there was some contact.
I think recollections may vary is the phrase here?

Ah interesting. Where was that reported about Netflix saying that. Just tried to google but I couldn't find it. It does ring a bell though.

Why wouldn't the Sussexes reply or see the email though? Their whole existence is about their feud with the palace so it's odd that they would ignore anything that came from them and why wouldn't they be checking their emails?

It did not sound like it went to Harry and Meghan's personal emails.
But as there was contact between Netflix and the Royal Family it is irrelevant.

I think the Palace are used to people accepting what it says when the Queen was Monarch and not pointing out lies. That is changing. And they are going to find it hard.

But almost nobody believes H&M when they point out lies because they've told so many lies themselves. So even if the palace are lying no light is being shed on it.

This is a good article about the Palace responding to text. I am not worried about the source because they backed it up with evidence.

variety.com/2022/tv/global/harry-meghan-docuseries-buckingham-palace-1235464017/

Either someone is lying or there are some very incompetent people on staff.

Not only did they receive the email, Lee Thompson replied to it asking for footage.

Jason Knauff responded to the email. His responses were included in the documentary.

Sorry, not text. I meant request for comment.

Don't believe everything they say.

The Palace didn't leak where they moved to in Canada, Harry and Meghan did. Somebody managed to prove that via a freedom of information request.

Also the whole them being hounded by the press well the photos of Meghan walking her baby in the nearby woods with her smiling directly at the camera were also staged by her, if you look at the copyright holder of the photos it is Backgrid.

This is an important part of the article:

"Buzzfeed News also claimed that Thompson and Andreae were the “royal sources” who briefed Nikkhah and English, sending them information via a WhatsApp group."

3 people were sent an email from Story Syndicate, the company the director Liz Garbus owns. Thompson, Andreae, and Knauff.

Of those 3, 2 of them actually responded, Thompson and Knauff.

Thompson and Andreae then (allegedly) briefed Nikkah and English via a WhatsAp group. Nikkah and English posted on SM that the Palace has reported they weren't contacted.

This, coupled with the JC article and the Lady S incident, is what is causing people to pause and reconsider that maybe Harry & Meghan weren't lying.

THE truth is out there, and IMO it will get blown open in due time.

I have never heard this before. I did look up the radaronline.com article. I wish they had provided a redacted look at the report obtained by FOI.

I struggle believing this however, I do admit that it could happen.

In the documentary, IIRC, said the palace leaked their location in Canada. They had chosen the island on purpose and it was after his meeting with Charles, William and the Queen. He said only those 4 had discussed things and just days later the press were on the island.

The article and FOI was about press being at Tyler Perry's house. Radaronline pulled the report from LAPD.

I am not sure what the Palace have done wrong in not replying to the email or providing a comment. Weird that the production company didn't call them if it was so important.

I also don't see how some of their assumptions about some things can be seen as fact.

I do believe the palace comms machine lies, they have admitted as much in court. Would be weird for them to be truthful about everything though. That to me is not big news.

But Harry and Meghan's record on truth isn't that wonderful either. Although I do feel sympathy for them.

It was never about the palace not responding (2 of 3 comm people did respond). The issue is that they say they were never contacted. There is proof that not only were they contacted, they did respond.

Yes, on OP's .5 , that is what bothers me the most; the utter misogyny, even on this site a site that is supposed to be very feminist and pro-womens rights. You see on here women perpetuating the 'she's a gold digger and only married him because he's a prince and she wanted fame' and 'she's a manipulative succubus who seduced Harry and she wears the pants/she controls Harry/he follows her lead/he cannot think for himself, he is a mere man who is led by Meghan' etc etc etc. When will women stop treating men like hopeless helpless victims who can't think for themselves and stop blaming women for everything a couple says and does?

Regardless of what you think of Meghan, the sexism and misogyny of women on this site is disgraceful and shameful. Especially for a feminist site. Harry is not a victim of Meghan, Meghan is not 'in control'. Harry seems to be the one out of the two of them who is the most reactive and most eager to drop bombshells, but no, according to some so-called women on this site, Harry was blindsided by Meghan and will 'wake up' to her and then divorce her. Fuk me dead the sexist and misogynistic narrative on here is so depressing.

I absolutely believe the palace lies about stuff and also that it leaks like a sieve although I don't think it's 100% clear they've lied here (it's a good article though - thank you for posting it). It is interesting that Jason Knauf responded. Unless he was on leave I'd expect him to discuss that communication with colleagues which does give weight to the argument that their behaviour is a bit fishy. But who knows -they're all probably crazy busy with having a new king on the throne and goodness knows if they've got a decent procedure in place to stop a repeat of the Greta Thunburg incident. There just doesn't seem to be much reason to lie. The truth wouldn't be particularly damaging here so why bother with falsehoods? Again though I'm not saying I don't think they're capable of it. I'm quite sure they are and maybe they did for reasons we don't understand (or I don't understand - it's all so complicated!). Interesting also that Netflix said they responded asking for footage but could that just have been as part of the verification process? Clearly footage would have proved who they were saying they were but without it there may still have been doubts and further investigation may have been needed. Further investigation that then came to a dead end if they wrote to the wrong people and didn't get a response.

antelope, I have only read your opening post and really don't want to get into discussion about Meghan and Harry. However I will say that I watched the documentary twice and agree with what you have said.

I'm not sure we watched the same documentary, but if we did I don't agree with anything you've posted. I struggle to believe what they both said, as it's been proved that they've lied in previous interviews. I take a very large pinch of salt with everything that's said.

What I do think should happen is they get on with their lives without all the mud slinging, and the press should leave them alone. Although I'm not sure how that will work with their charitable work, as they need the press to promote the charities.