If you watched all of Netflix H&M

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I have finally watched all episodes. It was much better than I was expecting and bore no resemblance to what was talked about for hours and hours by some posters on here.
I am interested in discussing the programme with people who have watched it all. What struck me was:

1. Harry clearly says Charles leaked the content of Harrys private letter to Charles, to the press.
2. William when younger had agreed with Harry that neither of them would behave as Charles had with his press office. But William went back on that and behaved the same way.
3. The Palace leaked the location of where Harry and Meghan were staying in Canada.
4. The small number of social media accounts run by mainly white middle-aged women who push hate for both of them but especially Meghan.
5. The myth that Meghan is controlling Harry is recognised by him as misogyny.

I think they were clearly right to leave.

Don't have any to wrap unfortunately. Any reason why you are so rude. Let's hope someone has wrapped a book on manners for you.

Harry actually talks about his regrets where he said he made mistakes. I know it does not fit into the narrative though that he is just claiming to be a victim. When in reality he is talking about how the press and the Royal Family behaved towards him and especially Meghan.

I found lots to like about the documentary. Am not a bit surprised about the leaks given Dan Wooton's closeness to Christian Jones and his husband Callum.

Same

Harry sent a private letter to Charles. The contents were leaked.

Surely, the staff who have clearance to see certain confidential documents is limited. So, how can they leak without being found out, and still retain their jobs.

Byline did an article on this and showed evidence of the link and that he was paid by the S*n. DW threatened to sue. The national papers did not touch it.

CJ gets away scott free because although it shows that Calllum was paid, it does not show what he was paid for exactly - but what on earth was he paid for?

So Camilla' staff do in fact have a WhatsApp group that leaks to the media.

My bet is, it's hateful af and JC and Morgan are on it.

I was surprised that the idea that the palace and the press make arrangements is news. I thought this was well-known Look at how little coverage the young royals are subject to.

I find it easy to believe that the palace leak stories to control the narrative, or that households brief against each other. I would be gobsmacked to learn that Harry had never benefited from this arrangement.

I am convinced that Meghan suffers from racist press and social media attacks. I do not believe that her heritage is what the royals had an issue with; far more believable that it’s a British / American culture clash and complete misunderstanding on her part of what her role would be. Goodness knows how Harry let her continue under this misapprehension.

As pp have said, unfortunately the Sussexes over-egg things and have been caught out. I don’t believe that they actually want the privacy and peace they claim to want.

And as always, my main take away is what a shame this rift is for all involved.

As pp have said, unfortunately the Sussexes over-egg things and have been caught out. I don’t believe that they actually want the privacy and peace they claim to want.

They have never claimed any such.

I'm not interested in it being reported in the news about how she eats avocados or holds her bump or what she whats, just like the rest of them. That isn't news to me thats just a load of rubbish and who da fucks cares really when there are bigger issues that need to be making the headlines or deserve 27 articles about

I don't believe a word that comes out of M's mouth. Not one word.

As for H's impending novel, I suspect it should be called Spite and not Spare.

Just live your lives privately. That's what you wanted. Isn't it.

There is a certain narrative to the comments as always. Lots of claiming Harry and Meghan said things they did not say, calling them liars and saying they are awful people/

It is all deflection. This is about the press's behaviour and the behaviour of the Royal Family. Charles insisting Harry out his thoughts in writing and then leaking that to the press. The Palace leaking where Harry and Meghan were living to the press.

I do not believe that her heritage is what the royals had an issue with; far more believable that it’s a British / American culture clash and complete misunderstanding on her part of what her role would be. Goodness knows how Harry let her continue under this misapprehension.

This in a nutshell.

I lived in the US and I cannot begin to tell you how different Americans are to us. And not only how much they don’t ‘get’ other cultures but how unaccepting they are of what you tell them when you explain your own culture. They cannot fathom that American ways aren’t considered the norm in other countries. Meghan very much comes across this way. “I can’t believe we had to bow and curtesy behind closed doors”. Well, you did, that’s that an fit isn’t your place to question it.

As an example of when I lived there I remembered telling a colleague that ‘fag’ is short for cigarette and ‘faggot’ is a neat product. He was absolutely disgusted, pegged all Brits as homophobes and couldn’t believe that those words were ‘still OK’. I said slurs here aren’t the same as the UK and he just didn’t get that a whole nation can’t change their language because somewhere thousands of miles away may get offended.

Anyway, re M&H - the fact that they bang on about ‘protection’ - makes me wonder if Meghan ever called out Harry on the lack of protection and preparation he gave her. You didn’t know you had to curtesy? Take it up with your prick boyfriend for not briefing you

I’ve never seen any letter leaked. I’ve googled and all I can find is harry saying his father told him to write what he wanted down. But I can’t see it leaked in fact the opposite I can only see Harry talking about it,

What would the palace actually gain from leaking where H&M were living? Why would Charles do that to his grandchild? Considering he was instrumental in striking a deal between (British) press and the RF that Royal children would no longer be papped. Why would he put his grandson in danger?

Same here never heard of a letter until this thread actually! And Google brings up the documentary.

I vaguely remember reading an official document that set out the terms of the Sussexes ‘stepping back’ but I don’t think that’s the same thing

If anyone can find this leaked letter I’d be curious to see a link.

there was an official document from the queen/palace stating the terms of the agreement, but no deeply personal letter being leaked thay I can recall or find.

and I don’t believe for a moment Charles leaked to the media where they were living that’s a ludicrous idea.

What letter are you talking about.

2 things here.

1. The exit document that says H&M wanted to leave was leaked to Dan Wooten. H says he knows it came from the palace because the article also quoted that H&M wanted were happy to leave the titles behind - they never told anyone else about this, so they knew DW could have only got it from the leaked document.
2. The letter is the one printed by the fail for TM. They believe TM was manipulated and interfered with because the receipt signature was not his. It was the RF who told and helped MM to write that letter.

The venue was leaked as soon as they were told that security and money is stopped. Very few people knew where they were. It was clearly to try and gain control - show them that they need the rf, will be left broke and homeless and must come back with their tail between their legs.
That is clear as day.

I’m referring to the deeply personal letter the op refers to in her thread, what other letter would I be referring to?

if you can link to this letter, then we’d all be pleased to see it

ps, no idea who tm is.

Bollocks. I don’t believe for a minute that of all the people, Harry’s own dad would leak it aS A ReMinDEr

The "Bollocks' is what you are talking.

The same father who withdrew security and money for his son, yet keeps security for Andrew (and allows courtcases to be paid for him too).

Other poster :
The letter IS the document the exit document sent to DW. That was where the giving up of titles was mentioned.
TM is Thomas Markle, obviously, that is how he always gets referred by on here.

You clearly have not seen the documentary, don't know why you are wasting our time.

You only have their version, there are always two sides to every story and the RF would be dragged into a money making exercise

They have been proved to lie in numerous interviews, including this series where they have manipulated press coverage to suit them, cut bits out of the Queens speech etc all out there the net

but you believe what you want to

i do agree with you that they were right to leave. Harry’s own comment about a third way, ie they keep all titles, do a bit of royal work but do whatever they want outside of that, shows what spoilt petulant money grabbers they are

And yet the palace have not disputed anything (mostly, I think they realise that H&M actually have receipts) considering they said they would answer from now on when they trolled new born baby Lili - issuing a statement out of everything that takes place.

HMQ could get away with statements like 'recollection may vary' - no one pushes back against her. I doubt Charles will and the palace knows it.