If you watched all of Netflix H&M

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I have finally watched all episodes. It was much better than I was expecting and bore no resemblance to what was talked about for hours and hours by some posters on here.
I am interested in discussing the programme with people who have watched it all. What struck me was:

1. Harry clearly says Charles leaked the content of Harrys private letter to Charles, to the press.
2. William when younger had agreed with Harry that neither of them would behave as Charles had with his press office. But William went back on that and behaved the same way.
3. The Palace leaked the location of where Harry and Meghan were staying in Canada.
4. The small number of social media accounts run by mainly white middle-aged women who push hate for both of them but especially Meghan.
5. The myth that Meghan is controlling Harry is recognised by him as misogyny.

I think they were clearly right to leave.

Big Suze wrote an excellent article in The Spectator which I am more inclined to believe since she has met all parties involved, has been in the family for years, is also an actress (a quality one at that!) and has Jewish ancestry so would be on alert for prejudice.

I have watched the documentary (which was nothing like a documentary really). I think the most interesting thing was the Knauf stuff. H&M were horrified that William let his staffer give evidence in their court case. I think that's really quite shocking tbh, to think that your brother should act to avoid the truth coming out in court. And Meghan had her own "recollections may vary" moment when she gave false evidence in that case. I therefore think they are fundamentally dishonest people - I wouldn't trust anyone who tried to prevent the truth coming out in court.

Still think they were both treated appalling by the press though, with Meghan getting the worst of it.

I agree with this. M's instant reaction was victimhood, as if someone was being mean and she has an entitlement to distort the narrative. In her shoes, I would have felt sheepish and guilty about having been caught out in this very manipulative lie, or perhaps at having remembered the full story and realised that it had lied. She went straight past moral accountability and into being self righteous about not wanting to criticize William. But that's not too say she was treated in an acceptable way.

As I've said just a bit up in the thread, there are precisely zero examples of them ever been proven untrue in their claims.

Er, well that's just not true. There are tons of examples. Nothing mind-blowingly serious (apart from Meghan misleading a court), I don't think personally. Just lots of statements that aren't true or that don't match up.

Why are MM critics always stuck on the same points, no matter how many times it's discussed.
For the 100th time, JK set up a trap on technicality. Knowing very well it was HIM who spoke to Scobie and that MM did not even know who he was then - just another faceless reporter (indeed faceless because she had never even seen him or heard of him then).
To top it off his 'evidence' had absolutely nothing to do with the case.

You don't think any of their claims have been proven to be untrue - I think you are wrong (a la the remark about the clothes she wears - same colour as Camilla here www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a25047491/prince-charles-birthday-portraits-prince-louis/ and red here www.prima.co.uk/fashion-and-beauty/fashion-tips/a29585460/meghan-markle-red-leather-skirt/ and there are lots of photos of her in yellow too). Her remarks about Nelson Mandela - no one said that either! Their claims they had to get engaged in the UK - false, William and Kate got engaged abroad... the list goes on.

MM said in a group engagement/walkabout etc. Went on to qualify that HMQ has to stand out - a well reported fact.

You then go ahead and link her on her own/with H only engagements.

Your other example is an organised and clearly colour co-ordinated photoshoot (navy/white/blue only). Just like PP's funeral had a colour, this was clearly co-ordinated and would have been communicated as the official dress code for those occassions
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Someone already answered about the Mandela one. The papers went out of their way to contact someone who was NOT at the premier to try and entrench that she is lying.

Interesting about the K&W one.

I noted that H&M gets treated differently from them. As you all constantly remind us. But there is a lot of forbidding to MM in particular, as far as I see. Give us you car keys, passports, only get engaged in the UK, don't wear that necklace with his initials (but here, we'll give you controversial earrings, so the press can slaughter you) etc. etc.
Anyway, we will never know the truth about K&W engagement since it's all scripted for them.

From your posts, you do sound like a tabloid victim tbh.

The Grefell visits and cookbook were as far as I recall given publicity by the London press and media/TV. I certain recall seeing it and hearing about it.

Meghan’s other activities were also known about (UN etc).

I think what grates on some people is the knowledge of what she does (charity/humanitarian) is almost like she’s the only person ever to do this. Most people either don’t have the time or money to do the charitable/humanitarian work she does or if they do do it, it’s under the radar. I’m just not sure about her, something comes across as not genuine and wanting her own star shone more/to get more credit for what she does.

As a PP says there are quite a few occasions where another film/journalist crew have been around to follow them.

If it were me, being Harry in his shoes, after his mother died with the press intrusion then I’d make damned sure the press couldn’t follow/report on me. But they want the publicity, hence Netflix. Can’t have it both ways!

I do think Harry from the documentary has conflicts between his royal life/what he wants/what he’s got/what he could have and nothing with the RF was ever, ultimately going to be acceptable for him. It’s a pity because, funnily enough, Harry and Meghan actually come across as quite likeable from the documentary. I just think a lot of what they say has been embroidered on/half truths in favour of them/against RF. That’s fine, but sadly it means certain royals like William may have long memories about this, so reconciliations may be harder, if they so wanted them.

All those constantly singing the same refrains about Harry and Meghan can I ask:

1. Do you accept as true then that the Palace leaked the location of Harry and Meghan to the press?
2. That Charles or someone employed to handle confidential mail leaked details of a personal letter/document from Harry to Charles?
3. That William and his staff also leak negative stories to the press about Harry and Meghan?

No

So basically, ALL American women of Meghan's age are the same. Wow!! You sound VERY ignorant.

I lived in California for a bit. The idea that all Californian women are pushy is just xenophobia. No different to saying all Scottish people are mean or all English people are uptight.

Erm, she said she always wore muted tones, eg white, beige , cream to hedge against wearing the same colour as the senior royals. What is your agenda here? Did you literally search "Meghan wearing same colour as Camilla"? 🤔

British people would say 'pushy'. I would say assertive and confident. I guess the opposite of English Rose Kate. I know who I'd rather be like.

I think what grates on some people is the knowledge of what she does (charity/humanitarian) is almost like she’s the only person ever to do this. Most people either don’t have the time or money to do the charitable/humanitarian work she does or if they do do it, it’s under the radar. I’m just not sure about her, something comes across as not genuine and wanting her own star shone more/to get more credit for what she does.

I'd love to know what you mean by "is almost like she’s the only person ever to do this."
When has she said this? 🤔

I’m just not sure about her, something comes across as not genuine and wanting her own star shone more/to get more credit for what she does
Do explain

You don't like her. Fine you do not have to. That does not mean the constant racism and misogyny is okay.
And it should not mean William, Charles and the Palace get away with leaking about Harry and Meghan and briefing against them.

Nobody thinks Meghan is the only person to be involved in human rights issues, there are many unsung heroes. However she is quite right to use her high profile to promote causes and values that are dear to her heart and to that of many others. She doesn't have to, she could just enjoy being an extremely rich woman with a very comfortable life but there is more to her than that, as there is to Prince Harry. Good on them.

My own opinions:

1. No. At least I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case and I think it's more likely Meghan leaked it herself. Or they found out some other way. But if there's evidence to the contrary I'll take it on board. I can't see what good it would do the Palace for the world to know where H&M were living. I think they were probably enjoying the silence while it lasted but I might be wrong.
2. Yes, it sounds like this is probable. Dan Wooton got hold of it, didn't he, and I think he's said it came from a palace source?
3. Not sure about this one. Has there been any solid evidence other than H&M saying he did it (so not solid evidence)? That said, it's not something I would find particularly hard to believe but at the same time, from what I've read, it sounds like H&M's behaviour was so obnoxious that multiple palace staff (not necessarily William's) were talking to the press about it and it's far more likely that it was just staff leaking. I get the impression that when Meghan says she wasn't protected, she meant she thought she could behave however she wanted and it was someone else's responsibility to stop the press from ever hearing about it. It doesn't work like that. There's only so much they can do and even if William and his staff were capable of that kind of thing, I doubt they'd have had to resort to it because so many people were unhappy about how she (and Harry) were treating people.

None of it is big news. Most people with a modicum of sense know how the media works and how the RF/the Firm works. It points to a shocking naivety if H&M didn't understand it. Although it goes a long way to explaining why their media and pr strategy has been consistently rubbish.

What I find fascinating is why so many US people are so invested in criticising the UK and the RF. It's not as though they don't have enough political scandals, unearned wealth, racism, sexism, etc, of their own to resolve. Imagine what those US H&M obsessives might have achieved if they put half the energy into encouraging the US to jail any of the US people involved in the Epstein case instead of taking pot shots at an establishment they can't impact. But maybe that's the appeal - moan about the UK RF and you don't have to deal with the fact the US is so corrupt and that the only people jailed for the Epstein case (a case based on men exploiting and abusing women) is a British woman.

@Havehope21 Oh yes..... When your lies are shown up as lies, the only retort left is 'you are over invested'. Very immature.

@MarshaMelrose No, I clearly wasn't saying anything like that. I was talking about no longer using an offensive word.

@IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 ok... I am not sure if you are aware, but mumsnet is a place for people to express their views and opinions. You are not the thought police and have no right to tell me what or how to think. In every post, I have respectfully accepted your views and contributed my opinion to a public thread / forum. I think it is unacceptable for you to so rudely call me a 'liar' when neither of us know who is right or wrong. You are clearly a fan of Meghan, good for you. I am not and I was sharing my reasons / thoughts / beliefs as to why. If you cannot politely handle other people's views and opinions without behaving like a toddler, you really shouldn't be on somewhere like mumsnet.

For a couple who claim to not want press intrusion they spend an awful lot of time engaging with said press.

I think that their whole relationship is dependent on being in the limelight. They have built their entire marriage on being victims, having to stand together in the face of adversity, fighting against the media etc. Take that away and I think they have very little.

I think that is why Harry spends so much time courting th E media, making documentaries, writing books etc, because he knows that without that publicity there is very little substance to their marriage.

And for meggan this is the biggest acting job of her career.

I actually think this documentary could spark the end of their marriage, because the public’s interest is reducing, and without the interest from the public, they will lose the interest of the media, and without that they have nothing in common.

@Havehope21 Oh so you acknowledge mumsnet is for different opinions? So why then, did you try to shut me down by asking if I am their PR, just because I put thought and evidence in my posts? You called me 'over invested', just because you didn't agree with my opinion. I find that bullying and insulting. And very rude of you. You don't see your own behaviour do you. I should have the right to post my opinions on here, without you so rudely calling me 'over invested'. Have a think about how rude that is.

It's not wrong of people to want to engage on their own terms with the press. Why is it that if someone famous engages at all with the press then people say they deserve intrusion? It is possible to engage with the press on your own terms. Everyone should have that right. It's not all or nothing.

It’s not an offensive word though. It means a cigarette. Words only have the meaning people give them. There are many offensive words in the UK which are not offensive in other countries. It’s about been culturally aware in the country you are in.

A rubber for instance.