If you watched all of Netflix H&M

[antelopevalley]

I have finally watched all episodes. It was much better than I was expecting and bore no resemblance to what was talked about for hours and hours by some posters on here.
I am interested in discussing the programme with people who have watched it all. What struck me was:

1. Harry clearly says Charles leaked the content of Harrys private letter to Charles, to the press.
2. William when younger had agreed with Harry that neither of them would behave as Charles had with his press office. But William went back on that and behaved the same way.
3. The Palace leaked the location of where Harry and Meghan were staying in Canada.
4. The small number of social media accounts run by mainly white middle-aged women who push hate for both of them but especially Meghan.
5. The myth that Meghan is controlling Harry is recognised by him as misogyny.

I think they were clearly right to leave.

No, she wasn't invited. I mean they could have invited her and let her make her own choice as to whether it was worth the risk of potentially becoming a media target. From what she said it sounded as if she'd have gone if she'd been asked.

Good points, it would have been company for Thomas to have his granddaughter with him, less stressful for him ?

something is very off with the whole thing. She clearly didn’t want them there, and poor Ashley has swallowed the bullshit - hook, line and sinker - poor girl. I’m guessing she’ll be kept on side until after Sammantha’s court case

That’s so awful.

I would love to know how so many of you saw the guest list for the shower? How do you know they weren't invited?

They may have been invited and not came.

They may have been there and chose not to be seen in photos.

They may not have been invited at all.

It astounds me that so many posters have such inside knowledge. I wish you all would share your proof so everyone in the world can see the truth of what really happened and put this whole thing to bed. Seems so much easier to-do that then continue speculation year after year.

Yes @onlylarkin
I also noted that on the pics inside, we do not see Amal and Gayle. Who were photographed entering the building , supposedly.

So indeed, we know nothing about who was invited, came etc.

I think she was embarrassed of Ashley for the same reasons that she was embarrassed of her dad. Not rich enough, not thin enough to look good in the pictures. Meghan never, ever takes the blame for any of her decisions. It always has to be someone else's fault and she always publicly presents herself as the bewildered victim. Another trait on the checklist.

Having watched all of the Netflix series I can see how easy it is to be taken in by them.
They are both eloquent (albeit scripted?)
However, I would say that the hardest aspect of being a member of the RF for Meghan was having to play second fiddle to Kate….she just couldn’t hack it.

I agree. I also think that far from her colour being what people objected to, her colour probably kept people onside for far longer than if she’d been a white woman from the same background. It made her seem exciting and modern. At first. I certainly was rooting for her for far longer than I would have been if she’d been white. People made allowances initially. Obviously there were some racist remarks in the gutter press, but on the whole public perspective was positive.

She just isn’t a team player and I agree that jealousy of Kate became a big factor. I also think that at the heart of it, Harry’s anger with his brother and Kate is to do with the fact that they just didn’t like her . He obviously thinks she’s absolutely wonderful and can do no wrong. He just couldn’t accept that they didn’t feel the same way.

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This is utter nonsense.

Even by your vain standards, Ashley is super pretty . The proverbial sweet girl next door. To top it, she is a human rights lawyer.

MM was never embarrassed about Thomas. She posted pics of herself with him on her Twig. He, himself admitted he was embarrassed by himself. I believe that was the reason he did not show up to the wedding. He was invited.

As for jealousy over KM? Are you for real?

Kate can't even do her job, she can't even talk publicly. Even Charlotte and Louis could probably do a better job than Kate.

There are lots of different kinds of people on the planet. MM is as she is. Most people are not too happy with things that have come out which appear to stray from the truth. I am pretty sure both grandfathers just want to have some kind of a relationship with their respective children and the 2 grandchildren. May be when things calm down a bit that can be achieved. The less everyone says to the press on all sides the better.

I don't think H&M are coming too well out of this, but they have a right to freedom of speech in the UK and US and I believe there was a heavily negotiated (probably with lawyers on both sides) agreement when they "left" the royal family as to what could be said and done and I expect that contract or document is very confidential.
Ah looked it up - this is interesting and I had not remembered it - the initial deal was for 12 months and then it was to be extended. www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a35077087/prince-harry-meghan-markle-want-12-month-extension-royal-exit-deal/

Seems like it simply had a provision that they could change their minds within 12 months. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megxit

Plus expenses paid by Daddy for 12 months. Hence the moaning that "Daddy cut me off " when they spoke to Oprah around the time the end of the 12 months was coming up.

Really? I think the vast majority of people think she does her job very well. She isn’t a trained public speaker. Neither was Diana, who had to be coached and still she sounded quite wooden . The job involves far more than public speaking. We rarely hear Camilla speak. If you think public speaking is all that the job involves, you aren’t looking very hard.

How do you know what my standards are Antelope? It is super creepy that you talk on behalf of other posters as though you think you know them and you also speak on behalf of H&M as if they have personally confided in you at length.

Maybe, you are trying to project it onto me but you are not good at doing that.

@Xenia I don't quite understand the point of you posting this.

Harry explained that, like the rest of us, he was duped into believing that there was some hope of negotiations of him coming back to work for the queen. But he was all left out. Nothing had changed.

HMQE wrote all that guff about 'loved members of the family'. She had me fooled. I actually thought, here we go, a reconciliation is on the cards. H&M were still zooming charities, so did the rest of the family. I actually thought they would be more supportive. But, it was not to be.

Yes I agree with this. I think MM is incredibly ambitious and hated the fact she was just a C list celebrity. She thought she'd really hit the big time, marrying into the royal family. She was an A lister at long last! Only to discover that she'd only upgraded to the B list and yes, would have to curtsey to Catherine, even in private.

Who duped Harry into believing that he could have his cake and eat it? Who duped him into believing that there was a chance the British government would pay for his security while he was living in his Montecito multi million mansion? Or that Daddy would step in with a few million a year, every year so he could have the lifestyle and the job he wanted?

Correction. Most people think she looks very good.

She has had almost 20yrs of 'preparation and training'.

Diana could do a proper speech, her charities were not closing down and she made an effort to visit them.

Diana was not great at speeches really. She was great at connecting with people.
As someone said, speeches are not everything. You also have to cut lots of hospital ribbons and greet thousands of people. But apparently, Meghan couldn't believe she was not getting paid for this! The job was too dull for her, and she would never get to be the top dog obviously so once you get the visibility and fame you could get out of it, it was time to go.

To top it, she is a human rights lawyer.

She's an immigration lawyer. They're not the same thing.
I don't believe that Meghan's ashamed of Ashley, who seemed genuinely upset that she was disinvited from the wedding. Although I do think she's misused her. She cut her off after her marriage and only reconnected 2 years after she moved to Canada.

So indeed, we know nothing about who was invited, came etc.

We know there were 15 guests who showed up. We know who they were. But we don't know who was invited. (Doria was.) But we know Ashley wasn't because they'd lost contact by then.

We may know who showed up, but we don't know who was invited or consulted.

A good thing Ashley was left out of the picture. She seems private and shy, imagine how the palace would have served her on a platter to the press to be dissected and smeared - especially with her link to the Markle family.

We may know who showed up, but we don't know who was invited or consulted.

As I said.

We know Gayle King went. We know she'd stopped talking to Ashley.

I don't think the palace did Ashley wrong. They knew about her so they could have talked about her but they never have done. Meghan stayed in touch with her friends. She didn't stay in touch with Ashley.

If she had been invited and not attended, do you think it wouldn't have been casually slipped into the overshare somewhere, like really prominently, being self-beneficial to Meghan?