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If you watched all of Netflix H&M

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antelopevalley · 24/12/2022 19:54

I have finally watched all episodes. It was much better than I was expecting and bore no resemblance to what was talked about for hours and hours by some posters on here.
I am interested in discussing the programme with people who have watched it all. What struck me was:

  1. Harry clearly says Charles leaked the content of Harrys private letter to Charles, to the press.
  2. William when younger had agreed with Harry that neither of them would behave as Charles had with his press office. But William went back on that and behaved the same way.
  3. The Palace leaked the location of where Harry and Meghan were staying in Canada.
  4. The small number of social media accounts run by mainly white middle-aged women who push hate for both of them but especially Meghan.
  5. The myth that Meghan is controlling Harry is recognised by him as misogyny.

I think they were clearly right to leave.

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Coxspurplepippin · 01/01/2023 20:57

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 20:55

Gayle was not an invitee, she came as a reporter. Did not attend the wedding, but was reporting on it.

The rest of the celebrities were approved by the palace, not Ashley.

But what about her baby shower?

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 20:58

Coxspurplepippin · 01/01/2023 20:55

Why would the palace say she couldn't invite her niece? I thought she'd been encouraged to invite family members. The claim makes zero sense.

Before the wedding when her half sister was kicking off, the leaks from the Palace were that they'd advised to invite awkward family members because if they're on the inside, they're less likely to make trouble. A bit like keeping your enemies closer.

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 20:59

Glindara · 01/01/2023 20:07

Poor Ashley - stitched up and turned over many times by MM.

Excluded from the wedding - then zero contact for years until making this doc where she is wheeled in only to slam Sam Markle.

She never said there was 'zero contact'. She said she felt their contact was being 'managed '.

When H&M left, things went back to normal.

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 21:00

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 20:55

Gayle was not an invitee, she came as a reporter. Did not attend the wedding, but was reporting on it.

The rest of the celebrities were approved by the palace, not Ashley.

That was to the wedding. She invited her to the baby shower but left her niece out.

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:10

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 21:00

That was to the wedding. She invited her to the baby shower but left her niece out.

And you saw the people at the baby shower.

Most are socialites and celebrities. There were no homebodies like Doria - which Ashley sounds like. As we saw her, she likes spending one on one time with MM and the kids. Baking and all that. Just as Doria does.

Her Suits husband, who has come out defending her was not there, neither were a lot of the colleagues who regularly defend her.

Not sure why you think Ashley should be forced to go out of her way to get with people who may or may not have anything in common with her.

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 21:14

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 20:59

She never said there was 'zero contact'. She said she felt their contact was being 'managed '.

When H&M left, things went back to normal.

Meghan texted her two years after they'd moved to Canada. So not when they left.

It must have gone to zero contact because Meghan said she 'reconnected' with her. You can't reconnect with someone you're already connected with.

Meghan dropped her. She was in touch with all her friends, we know they were visiting her. Simple truth is Meghan decided not to keep in touch. But when you're the sort of person who takes zippo responsibility for anything, it's natural to try put the blame on other people.

BethJ62 · 01/01/2023 21:16

Does anyone else think that @notanotheroneagain is actually winding us all up ? I refuse to believe that someone would 100% believe all the stuff spouted by H and M .
Not even a tiny little doubt when blatant contradictions arise ( aka lies) ?

Coxspurplepippin · 01/01/2023 21:17

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:10

And you saw the people at the baby shower.

Most are socialites and celebrities. There were no homebodies like Doria - which Ashley sounds like. As we saw her, she likes spending one on one time with MM and the kids. Baking and all that. Just as Doria does.

Her Suits husband, who has come out defending her was not there, neither were a lot of the colleagues who regularly defend her.

Not sure why you think Ashley should be forced to go out of her way to get with people who may or may not have anything in common with her.

So the baby shower was a celeb event, not a celebration with the mother to bes nearest and dearest but a scripted event done for show rather than to share a joyous occasion with people closest to her.

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:21

More like people who had a lot of things in common, I would think.

Just like you would have one from your colleagues,as well as family separately.

Been to lots of work baby showers. and family was not invited.

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 21:23

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:10

And you saw the people at the baby shower.

Most are socialites and celebrities. There were no homebodies like Doria - which Ashley sounds like. As we saw her, she likes spending one on one time with MM and the kids. Baking and all that. Just as Doria does.

Her Suits husband, who has come out defending her was not there, neither were a lot of the colleagues who regularly defend her.

Not sure why you think Ashley should be forced to go out of her way to get with people who may or may not have anything in common with her.

There were lots of famous people at a very famous wedding. Ashley wanted to go to that. Are you honestly saying that she didn't invite Ashley because she wouldn't be able to mix with famous people?? She invited an unfamous woman called Lindsay Roth. Ashley, who Meghan called her little sister and best friend, could have hung out with her. Could have, only by the time if the babu showet, Meghan had stopped speaking to Ashley.

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 21:26

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:21

More like people who had a lot of things in common, I would think.

Just like you would have one from your colleagues,as well as family separately.

Been to lots of work baby showers. and family was not invited.

So Serena Williams is a colleague rater than a friend? And why would Lindley Roth, who no one's ever heard of, be there?

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:28

Hold on, MM did not invite the attendees of the baby shower, the organisers did. This was supposed to be a nice little surprise for her.

BethJ62 · 01/01/2023 21:35

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:28

Hold on, MM did not invite the attendees of the baby shower, the organisers did. This was supposed to be a nice little surprise for her.

A surprise ? So who packed her cases and took her to her private jet etc ?
Incidentally how did she get there if her passport was kept from her !?

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:36

These people did not mean any harm.
It was a party they organised with who they knew and thought of. Nothing more than that.

Dirty jokes would have been told (like how you got pregnant etc. the usual banter), so I can see how family would not be invited. Been through enough of these kind of things to know. Highly doubt her family minded about not being invited, tbh.

MM was super close to her Suits colleagues, they were not invited. Some came to the wedding. Doubt they cared one way or the other. they have defended her.

You are are reaching here.

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 21:37

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:28

Hold on, MM did not invite the attendees of the baby shower, the organisers did. This was supposed to be a nice little surprise for her.

It wasn't a surprise! She had to go find her elusive passport and book a flight. How did they know who to invite without her input? How did they know who her close friends were? Why would they invite Gayle King who she hardly knew without her say so?

Coxspurplepippin · 01/01/2023 21:37

I think there's certainly someone reaching.

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:38

BethJ62 · 01/01/2023 21:35

A surprise ? So who packed her cases and took her to her private jet etc ?
Incidentally how did she get there if her passport was kept from her !?

Erm, maybe someone was holding her passport, or she had to actually ask for it?

Yes, a surprise if they tell her to come on over to the US for a babyshower she never planed for or knew about long in advance.

BethJ62 · 01/01/2023 21:45

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 21:37

It wasn't a surprise! She had to go find her elusive passport and book a flight. How did they know who to invite without her input? How did they know who her close friends were? Why would they invite Gayle King who she hardly knew without her say so?

Amazing that she managed to wrestle her passport from those awful people in BP/KP .
She went by private jet ( of course).

BethJ62 · 01/01/2023 21:46

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:38

Erm, maybe someone was holding her passport, or she had to actually ask for it?

Yes, a surprise if they tell her to come on over to the US for a babyshower she never planed for or knew about long in advance.

But if she wasn’t allowed out to meet friends for lunch how on earth did she manage to get her passport to go to an unknown destination?

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 21:50

There were several people there with her. Were they not the security?

One of the few times she was allowed out. Turns out, they would then lie to the press about how much the baby shower cost, ofcourse.

Glindara · 01/01/2023 21:53

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 21:23

There were lots of famous people at a very famous wedding. Ashley wanted to go to that. Are you honestly saying that she didn't invite Ashley because she wouldn't be able to mix with famous people?? She invited an unfamous woman called Lindsay Roth. Ashley, who Meghan called her little sister and best friend, could have hung out with her. Could have, only by the time if the babu showet, Meghan had stopped speaking to Ashley.

Ashley could have hung out with her grandad Thomas Markle surely - who was coming until a few days before…..

Glindara · 01/01/2023 21:56

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 21:14

Meghan texted her two years after they'd moved to Canada. So not when they left.

It must have gone to zero contact because Meghan said she 'reconnected' with her. You can't reconnect with someone you're already connected with.

Meghan dropped her. She was in touch with all her friends, we know they were visiting her. Simple truth is Meghan decided not to keep in touch. But when you're the sort of person who takes zippo responsibility for anything, it's natural to try put the blame on other people.

So beginning of 2022…..just in time to get her on the doc

Coronateachingagain · 01/01/2023 22:48

BethJ62 · 01/01/2023 20:10

@notanotheroneagain
-H&M DID offer to give up their titles. Something they(the media) keep beating them on.

So they say ……..

Well it doesn't exactly look like they don't want the titles by the use they have given to them 😅
Duchess of this and Duke of that.

MarshaMelrose · 01/01/2023 22:49

Ashley could have hung out with her grandad Thomas Markle surely - who was coming until a few days before…..

Good point.

So beginning of 2022…..just in time to get her on the doc

Well, Christmas 2021. But exactly.

Coronateachingagain · 01/01/2023 22:54

notanotheroneagain · 01/01/2023 20:43

I think my take is way more plausible than believing that the 'family that I never had' and a father in law I described as 'charming' who would step in and walk me down the aisle would be the same family that would deny a wedding invitation to a cousin who I had a 'very close relationship' with. Make that make sense to me please?

And you damn well know this was a script. As explained in the series.

What I wonder is what in the series is a script 😬

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