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The King rejects cut-price coronation in favour of ‘glorious’ pomp and pageantry

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tatalan · 22/12/2022 11:56

Monarch wants to use ceremony to showcase ‘UK plc’ internationally, despite being deeply conscious of the cost of living crisis

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/12/21/king-rejects-cut-price-coronation-favour-glorious-pomp-pageantry/

How do you feel about this?

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Roussette · 15/04/2023 15:03

@PilshardPillToSwallow

So agree with you and I'm old! William is extremely lucky to have Kate, I honestly think she is the glue to hold the royal family together. William is a bit icy for me and he always comes across as having concealed irritation and a clenched jaw

I was prepared to give Charles a chance but this overblown coronation has blown it for me. Put your money where your mouth is Charles. I think you are throwing out bones for us to pick over like Andrew moving out of Royal lodge ...I want to SEE change but I think he has waited so long for this job he's not going to do anything but live in splendour

vera99 · 15/04/2023 15:18

PilshardPillToSwallow · 15/04/2023 14:47

@vera99.
I'm not anti monarchy, I would certainly lol to see a very different kind of monarchy and hugely scaled down however.

We watched the queen's funeral etc and the weddings but... My dc just arnt interested in them at all.

Ie it's not like they have been indoctrinated by me to love or hate them, but dc barley remember who William and Kate are ( they do know Harry and Megan after all the fuss. Yes even 9 year olds get worked up at school over it).

I can't seem them surviving to William.
This whole treatment of Harry has totally put me off him and I think kate has don't extremely well with the hand she's been given. She's not an entertainer, she's not a public speaker and she really tries her best and looks magnificent etc but I just don't warm to either of them. And I'm of their generation, I don't find them in any way relatable or watchable and William irritates me with his constant grimace.

I actually much prefer Harry and Megan now which has been a huge 360 for me over the years.
Megan is just a natural at speaking, performing and she was doing charity work before she became royal. She's lived a pretty normal and at times very gritty life.

The biggest problem is the Queen and PP lasted forever and entered the monarchy in a post-war deferential era as a beautiful young couple and rode the wave of an unparalleled post-war boom. Her stoicism, astuteness and dedication to the role was without peer and was genuinely loved by many not just here but also abroad. Charles and the various 'others' will never have that, and it's looking like a long downhill journey from that Everestian peak (reached in her Coronation year lest we forget) to where god only knows. I think you're right he may well be the last monarch with death by a thousand cuts and widespread indifference and/or hostility.

LadyMuckingabout · 15/04/2023 15:20

The one thing (well maybe a few others) the UK does well is pomp and pageantry. Such things are superbly organised and very impressive… look at the Queen’s funeral or, if you prefer, Harry &Meghan’s wedding.

The Coronation cost is chicken feed compared with so many other of the country’s expenditures. Eg for me local govt should be totally overhauled. You cannot imagine the remuneration of councillors. What could be done with this money!

Without heritage the UK is a poor thing.

Roussette · 15/04/2023 15:33

@vera99

I have said many a time over the years on here that the queen should have abdicated when she was in her 70s. If she had, I think we would have a very different and more engaged Monarchy that was not so steeped in unchangeable practices because of a 70 year reign

Queen Beatrix of Netherlands did so with a very powerful message of wanting to hand the monarchy over to a younger generation to keep it fresh. Her Mother the previous Monarch did the same but both only doing so when they had given their heir a chance to be with their young children until they reached the right age. An interesting article about it...

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/29/queen-beatrix-abdication

vera99 · 15/04/2023 15:53

Roussette · 15/04/2023 15:33

@vera99

I have said many a time over the years on here that the queen should have abdicated when she was in her 70s. If she had, I think we would have a very different and more engaged Monarchy that was not so steeped in unchangeable practices because of a 70 year reign

Queen Beatrix of Netherlands did so with a very powerful message of wanting to hand the monarchy over to a younger generation to keep it fresh. Her Mother the previous Monarch did the same but both only doing so when they had given their heir a chance to be with their young children until they reached the right age. An interesting article about it...

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/29/queen-beatrix-abdication

That's a good article and the point well-made. The Dutch monarchy seems more functional and popular than ours and their King's Day is one big party every year and very popular with the young. That's how you do it - if only the Protestants in NI could see what the descendants of King Billy got up to !

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Inkanta · 15/04/2023 16:00

I was prepared to give Charles a chance but this overblown coronation has blown it for me. Put your money where your mouth is Charles. I think you are throwing out bones for us to pick over like Andrew moving out of Royal lodge ...I want to SEE change but I think he has waited so long for this job he's not going to do anything but live in splendour

Yes I agree. I see tired pie crust promises so far and no follow through with any substance. His treatment of Harry combined with the destructive forces in the palace (which he appears to condone) is disappointing. I dont think he has any drive in him other than to feel his joys. William might do better.

Happyvalleyfan · 15/04/2023 16:04

MarshaBradyo · 15/04/2023 13:38

It’s a bit loaded as a question

I answered it and caring a great deal is overstating how I feel so chose a lower down one. It doesn’t mean I want the monarchy to end though

I think posters who talk about the topic on these threads care more than I do. But in a kind of ‘hate watch’ way

I do care - just like all tax payers should about how their money is spent, and I care about promoting a meritocratic equal society, the antithesis of the RF.

Do I hate - no. The hate posts on this forum mainly appear to come from Royalists who seem to despise H&M.

Roussette · 15/04/2023 16:05

@vera99

My family have to go to Amsterdam for something and the date can't be moved. Would you believe it we all arrive the day after King's Day! I love this footage of King Willem and family dancing with the crowd

Happyvalleyfan · 15/04/2023 16:09

@MarshaBradyo
only 33% expressing some positive feeling towards coronation - including those who care a great deal.

MarshaBradyo · 15/04/2023 16:15

Happyvalleyfan · 15/04/2023 16:09

@MarshaBradyo
only 33% expressing some positive feeling towards coronation - including those who care a great deal.

It wasn’t a great question

I found it hard to reply positively to it even though I’m not a republican

I enjoyed some of the jubilee etc but I definitely don’t ‘care a great deal’

I care a great deal or even a medium deal about so many other things, but still I would choose to keep a constitutional monarchy

I know the RF can be a funny bunch but I’m not in the side of scrapping them

Even with that question as it is I predict it’ll be an event as the previous ones were

derxa · 15/04/2023 16:52

Do I hate - no. The hate posts on this forum mainly appear to come from Royalists who seem to despise H&M.
I'm a royalist who despises H&M for their awful behaviour. I rarely post now because whenever I post the most innocuous stuff I'm jumped on. It's exhausting.

Roussette · 15/04/2023 17:03

Welcome to the club derxa

derxa · 15/04/2023 17:13

Roussette · 15/04/2023 17:03

Welcome to the club derxa

The club that no one wants to belong to! As for hate, there are very few people I have ever hated. I can't possibly hate H&M because I don't know them. I just don't understand their actions sometimes. They could have such an easy lovely life if they stopped going to war with people.

PilshardPillToSwallow · 15/04/2023 17:14

@Roussette I completely agree.
She definitely should have handed over sooner.

Happyvalleyfan · 15/04/2023 17:14

The London Olympic opening ceremony in 2012 was “only” £27 million pounds. That was an event @MarshaBradyo
Can you imagine a modern equivalent of the coronation that truly celebrated the best of the UK like Danny Boyle’s event?

Purplecatshopaholic · 15/04/2023 19:50

@4plusthehound, have you mistaken me for someone else? I haven’t read the whole thread, but maybe you mean another Purple something …

purpledalmation · 15/04/2023 19:53

derxa · 15/04/2023 16:52

Do I hate - no. The hate posts on this forum mainly appear to come from Royalists who seem to despise H&M.
I'm a royalist who despises H&M for their awful behaviour. I rarely post now because whenever I post the most innocuous stuff I'm jumped on. It's exhausting.

Me too @derxa

Lets see if one of the regulars jumps on this?

CathyorClaire · 15/04/2023 20:00

what do you think of the royal family stealing state gifts?

I think it's appalling.

There should be open records if they sell them (proceeds to the treasury) and centralised storage with loans and returns of individual items documented.

Credit to the Guardian journos for exposing this.

prob best to keep it here https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4779046-archewell-only-had-two-donors

I had a look but it appears to reference Archewell generally rather than Travalyst in particular.

So many things Harold could have chosen to clear up in 'Spare' or the subsequent interviews (the shooting of protected birds of prey at Sandringham and how he feels about having shot a water buffalo spring to mind) but didn't.

CathyorClaire · 15/04/2023 20:21

I'm a royalist who despises H&M for their awful behaviour.

I do appreciate the sentiment behind this but pretty much all the royals are guilty of awful behaviour in various ways.

Despising one set above another is surely like trying to judge a 'most fragrant goat' contest.

AlltheFs · 15/04/2023 20:33

I’m all for it, more pomp the better. We will be watching on TV.
Slightly biased as have friends who will be taking part in the parade. We have long standing army connections via horses so it’s part and parcel of that. I’ve just been out to give a carrot to the two ex Kings Troop horses that live with my neighbour. One of the horses probably pulling a carriage I saw being born. So vested interest etc

4plusthehound · 15/04/2023 20:34

purpledalmation · 15/04/2023 08:45

Typical lack of response regarding Harry and meghans dodgy archwell foundation and their retention of $9 million, using dodgy (but legal) moves to avoid paying taxes, the appalling track record on employee treatment at Better Up (not that Harry gives a shit as long as he can rake it in), the year they were head of the royal foundation (Uk) and 90% of the £750,000 raised went on 'expenses'. Offshore account to btw are legal, but very frowned upon.

The point being, rather than using clever accountants to avoid taxes, maybe pay the bloody things, and benefit 'ordinary' people?

This reminds me of Father Jack sitting in the corner randomly shouting for a drink.

I thought this thread was about the coronation?

The is an Archewell threa @purpledalmation , did you get lost?

4plusthehound · 15/04/2023 20:46

Whaeanui · 15/04/2023 12:42

And yet It would be a simple matter to share how the funds have been spent even if informally.

Have you checked the accounts yourself? And that of the royal foundation? Just because other posters have been mentioning it so I thought I would check both myself.

I wonder if those posters that have a strange fascination with the fact archewell has retained funds of £9-10 million have actually looked at the royal foundation accounts? You really should. It would probably stop that constant accusation regarding archewell if you did.

Ignore @Whaeanui

They are trying to drag the focus away from the lavish, disgraceful spending of King Charles.

Whataboutry at it's finest!

4plusthehound · 15/04/2023 20:54

LadyMuckingabout · 15/04/2023 15:20

The one thing (well maybe a few others) the UK does well is pomp and pageantry. Such things are superbly organised and very impressive… look at the Queen’s funeral or, if you prefer, Harry &Meghan’s wedding.

The Coronation cost is chicken feed compared with so many other of the country’s expenditures. Eg for me local govt should be totally overhauled. You cannot imagine the remuneration of councillors. What could be done with this money!

Without heritage the UK is a poor thing.

I used to think that we did pageantry really well until I went wandering around the world and realized that most places do pageantry really well!

4plusthehound · 15/04/2023 20:57

LadyMuckingabout · 15/04/2023 15:20

The one thing (well maybe a few others) the UK does well is pomp and pageantry. Such things are superbly organised and very impressive… look at the Queen’s funeral or, if you prefer, Harry &Meghan’s wedding.

The Coronation cost is chicken feed compared with so many other of the country’s expenditures. Eg for me local govt should be totally overhauled. You cannot imagine the remuneration of councillors. What could be done with this money!

Without heritage the UK is a poor thing.

We don't lose our heritage if we do not have the royal family.

Has France lost theirs? No of course not!

That is a crazy idea - that one family contains all of our history, and we are nothing without them??

Come on now.....