The King rejects cut-price coronation in favour of ‘glorious’ pomp and pageantry

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Monarch wants to use ceremony to showcase ‘UK plc’ internationally, despite being deeply conscious of the cost of living crisis

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/12/21/king-rejects-cut-price-coronation-favour-glorious-pomp-pageantry/

How do you feel about this?

I could well have - sorry about that!

And on the question of pageantry the King has banned the attending Lords and Duchesses and the like from wearing their ermine robes much to their displeasure. Probably because it sends out the wrong message of aristocracy, and it would detract from his elaborate garb. They have to wear their business attire. So we won't be getting this ....

Let's not forget this is a service where the Archbishop of Canterbury anoints the Monarch with holy oil invoking God.

Then the QUEEN kneeled down, and the Archbishop poured the Holy Oil, on the Crown of her Head, in form of a Cross, using these Words. In the Name of the FATHER, the SON, and the HOLY GHOST, let the anointing of this Oil, increase thine Honour, and establish thee for ever and ever.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronation-robes-banned-king-charles-29716823

Surely the ermine robes would be a bit moth eaten 70 years later anyway?!

I don’t understand why they shouldn’t wear the full costume. They’re still the exact sane people and will be at the exact same event, and it looks really amazing and historical. If Charles is anti-fur he should tell them to wear faux. That would be good.

I dont want a coronation to look like the Queen’s jubilee celebrations or the opening ceremony of a Olympic Games: it’s a different ceremony and purpose. I’d rather see a line of figures in ermine than have the sanitised pop concert. This day isn’t about us normies, it’s about something weird, archaic and historical and so outside anyone else’s experience than Charles’s that its oddly fascinating, so I would like to see that up close on tv.

Apparently not - from the Telegraph ...

For the past seven decades, they have been carefully stored away in ancestral homes waiting for the day when they can finally make another appearance in front of the watching world.

Coronation robes are among the most prized heirlooms of the country’s oldest families, made at great expense from the most lavish materials, but worn for only a few hours by each generation.

Or at least they were, until the King agreed to sweep away more than 500 years of tradition by banning them from his own ceremony next month.

Some members of the aristocracy have expressed horror at the idea that they will have to attend the Coronation wearing nothing more distinguished than a business suit.

Representations have been made through official channels, but the decision was made by the King on advice from the Government and there is little hope of a reprieve.

It means that coronets will be almost entirely absent from the ceremony, as will the distinctive scarlet robes with ermine capes that were such a colourful part of Queen Elizabeth’s coronation in 1953.

… well maybe not the literally exact same people or they’d be about 140 years old by now

Ugh the advice of the government?! They’ll be out at the next GE, who cares what they think. Bring on the coronets! Vintage capes it is!

"Aristocratic horror" and "on advice of the government", 100 million, cost of living crisis, optics and then a frantic who is going to tell him !

Any self respecting sufferer of aristocratic horror will be having a normal Saturday and that’s fine.

I can understand the Tories not wanting this... it highlights their inadequacies and the rich/poor gap.

I’m middled age and expect to be alive for William’s coronation. Nearly 80% of the country are expected to be alive for William’s coronation.

If the government are trying to get a feel good event out of this then they should have given us an extra bank holiday so that ordinary working people who are lucky enough to get them could have used that extra day off work as they wished to. I’m self employed so it doesn’t affect me but a long weekend is usually something that perks up the national mood.

Where are you getting the 80% figure?

Charles is 75ish, was 4 when his mother was crowned so nobody younger than him will remember the last Coronation. Many older wouldn't have had a telly, or if they did the TV footage would be nothing like today's.

William can have a scaled down event in 10-20 years or whatever if we still have a monarchy then.
But this one has been a long time coming.

William can have a scaled down event in 10-20 years or whatever if we still have a monarchy then.

Well that's what I thought Charles was doing and look at this massive extravaganza that is coming up. When it comes to Williams turn he'll be the same as his dad no doubt. We don't have a choice in the matter, it is foisted upon us

The Prince of Wales Investiture (a sort of mini coronation for the heir apparent) - got binned for William, and they even had special chairs commissioned and designed by Lord Snowden no less. I guess that job didn't go out for tender! I remember being excited watching it on a black and white telly with the family with my dad harrumphing about the Welsh nationals protesting outside the castle.

https://museum.wales/articles/2038/The-Prince-of-Wales-Investiture-chair/

There must be something reasonable about this (robes) but it does seem like an odd move to make. These robes are already made and sat there useless.

I really enjoy the historical side of all this beyond the figures who are actually there however I can't envisage anything on any scale for William.

I'm sure by then it will vr hugeky scaled down.

Ermine and crowns! "I become your liege"
That clip 😮

Good grief. Liege is a feudal superior. Last time I heard that was on Blackadder when Baldrick was all over Edmund with his "my liege"

I think it's a too powerful, very visual display where they came from - bloodied kings and queens legitimised by the power of the sword and their Lords who subsumed their own regional power and armies to the monarch. In essence warlords conspiring to keep the peasants down and preserve their influence and wealth acquired by nefarious means. Or something like that ...

@PilshardPillToSwallow

Optics
He'll claim that's 'modernising' - but don't touch his money! Not that sort of modernising !

They may hear a distant tumbril

@vera99
Or the sanitised version
The lady of the lake !
Holding aloft Excalibur

Will Willy kneel before Camilla - the woman who tortured his mother?

In 1953 the Queen actually had a piece of music composed especially for the Coronation by Sir William Walton no less. BTW can someone clarify should 'the the' in "the Coronation" be in capitals ?

Yes I wonder if William is okay. He seemed okay with the Camilla status quo
while Harry was giving his two pennyworth. Harry is distanced now and all done speaking out. If William has any issues he'll have to deal with them on his own.

I think the monarchy would endure and be a healthier place with William as King - who has the youth and energy to reform it.

William will be worse than Charles

For all his faults ( being weak mainly) Charles had some warmth about him . I can even let myself believe Charles is sincere about his wiffly waffly spirituality

But William is cold
He cannot and does not connect with people . He isn't interested and it shows