To think the palace should issue a statement condemning Clarkson's comments?

[Reindeersnooker]

I'm all for their dignified silence on everything else. I don't trust Harry or Megan. But Jeremy Clarkson's comments are horrific and were made in Britain against a woman who has become a member of their family.

NOT issuing a statement sends out such a hurtful message and indicates that anything can be said about her, for all they care. Even the MPs have managed to put something on paper.

It's clear that Harry will be beyond hurt if they do nothing and this time he'd have a point, IMO. Each comment like this published in the press erodes the boundaries for online trolls. If I was Meghan, I wouldn't feel I could return to the UK as it's clear the normal rules don't apply to her. What will her children think of Britain when they grow up and become aware of these articles? Won't they be likely to wonder how the palace responded? While it makes no sense to try and placate Harry generally, letting this play out without one word of censure to the press seems needlessly provocative.

It wouldn't be difficult to issue a statement saying something to the effect of "We stand against bullying and hate speech..." Two lines to indicate they see it and it's not ok.

Or not?

Owen jones !

Owen Jones standing up for women? That's a first.

So true! A bit of validation at last. It’s taken a long time but finally, finally someone well known has said something bad.

Extra time indeed with tell all book..can Harry keep any momentum going or will he fluff it all in the first paragraph. I'm going for the latter.

'look at YouTube Owen Jones'

🤣🤣

Don't want to derail but he seems rather selective in his support for women. He has been downright vile and incredibly mysoginistic about some of them so I won't be watching the video.

Yawn yawn yawn - now if you disapprove of M&H’s behaviour you not only love Prince Andrew but Jeremy Clarkson too.

I can’t bear JC, and the article was extraordinarily offensive, but no. Apparently I have to love him because you have to stick to a side . Strewth.

Exactly.

Clarkson doesn’t speak for everyone and I agree with a PP that some people seem delighted that they can use this as a reason to go “See!! THEY WERE RIGHT”

Owen Jones absolutely despises women.

This is exactly it. Half baked ‘reasoning’ heavily influenced by confirmation bias that if you don’t normally like or agree with H&M then you must agree with Clarkson. This black and white thinking is to ridiculous. As I said before - you can be furious with Clarkson whilst also disliking M&H

I'd rather chew my own foot off. He's blocked me on Twitter. God knows why. Perhaps I support the idea that a woman is an adult female.

You too @derxa. I don’t know why he blocked me either. I probably disagreed with him. He’s a petulant child.

Owen Jones doesn’t know what a woman is so I would urge you not to give his nasty world view any further clicks. He thinks lesbians should have sex with men who say they’re women but gay men shouldn’t be forced to have sex with with who say they’re men.

He’s the pompous little prick who stormed off a Sky news set a few years back when they didn’t immediately call a particular US night-club shooting a gay hate crime. He has the biggest chip on his shoulder.

And no, it’s absurd to suggest the Palace should be trawling the media every day and calling out mean articles about Meghan. She and Harry have made their separation complete, full estrangement. Why should the Palace defend her now?

Except nobody has suggested that.

This is not just a mean article. It is outrageous and has led to a record number of complaints.

Similarly that James O'Brien person. I'm not an aggressive Tweeter. Little men with big egos

I used to work with James O’Brien’s wife. Many years ago. I can’t believe she is married to him and has to put up with his obnoxious rants.

Quite. Tom Watson blocked me too. I was heartbroken 💔

So then why does the palace need to say anything?

Everyone woman should watch it 🤣

I’ll watch it if you can define the word woman

I don't like this division into camps.
I never felt strongly either way and I didn't need the JC articles/ netflix show to tell me how wheel's work within wheels re the royals.
I'm not mad about the royals, I find them a sort of novelty and adore the history side of it all. The pomp, pageantry and traditional aspects.
I also quite like Charles and Camilla as their own entities and I like Harry.
However, as a father I imagine Charles has been woeful, Camilla obviously not a great step mum....etc etc.

People usually are not so rigid and black and white in their thinking.
I think this hateful mania is weird and I'd like to know what's going on.

I cannot stand owen Jones and I don't believe for a second he cares about women's rights. He always hook's into something that benefits himself.
Infact I see a cause as sunk once he latches on.
However this is much bigger than Owen Jones.
We need pyscologicaists on hand really to support these people who hate them so much!

Like I said usually well balanced friends of mine have gone over to the dark side!

ZeViteVitchofCwismas, good analysis of Jones. He's spent the last few years showing how little he thinks of women - many who have actually been on the receiving end of far worse than the Duchess of Sussex, so it does rather stick in the craw to see him riding to her rescue. He excels at jumping on bandwagons for his own glory.

I think the amount of venom on both sides could be explained by the way the issues seem to be either criticising or supporting the monarchy. Republicans are happy at anything which seems to disparage the institution, monarchists are angry at anything which damages the institution.

After the upheaval of Brexit, COVID, the thought of another Scottish indy referendum, the idea of more constitutional upheaval just fills me with dread. I'm not even particularly a monarchist, just a bit wary that if we do get rid of the monarchy it'll be akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's often mentioned that if we end up with a president it would be someone like Boris Johnson. Republicans say that's not necessarily true, but tbh I'm not convinced. A majority of voters did vote for the Tories rather than any other party. With the monarchy there is a deal of continuity.

It's modern times though - everything under microscopic scrutiny, everyone snarking about curtseying and burgundy. No-one being able to do anything without someone taking pictures. It is a lot bit ridiculous. Everything the RF do being taken as a rebuff, sign, portent, signal when it's mostly just ceremonies and frocks and horses and flypasts. But at heart I think a lot of Brits may be taking it as an attack, and there is a chasm of cultural difference between the UK and the US.

There is absolutely no threat of 'upheaval '

The royals do precisely nothing and their diminution will affect precisely nothing

I suspect it will happen as a slow 'pushing away ' of the royals from the seat of democracy and from their interference in laws

That has already started with the planned deep reform of the House of Lords

They can stay as 'king ' but I suspect if they have their funds cut they will suddenly be keen on being private citizens

There is absolutely no threat of 'upheaval ' Are you Scottish?