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To think the palace should issue a statement condemning Clarkson's comments?

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Reindeersnooker · 20/12/2022 16:01

I'm all for their dignified silence on everything else. I don't trust Harry or Megan. But Jeremy Clarkson's comments are horrific and were made in Britain against a woman who has become a member of their family.

NOT issuing a statement sends out such a hurtful message and indicates that anything can be said about her, for all they care. Even the MPs have managed to put something on paper.

It's clear that Harry will be beyond hurt if they do nothing and this time he'd have a point, IMO. Each comment like this published in the press erodes the boundaries for online trolls. If I was Meghan, I wouldn't feel I could return to the UK as it's clear the normal rules don't apply to her. What will her children think of Britain when they grow up and become aware of these articles? Won't they be likely to wonder how the palace responded? While it makes no sense to try and placate Harry generally, letting this play out without one word of censure to the press seems needlessly provocative.

It wouldn't be difficult to issue a statement saying something to the effect of "We stand against bullying and hate speech..." Two lines to indicate they see it and it's not ok.

Or not?

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:46

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:44

" protect" is a presenting a false dichotomy.

It doesn't" protect" because the damage is already done.

It condems this vilness.

Why do the RF need to condemn anything though? It’s not their business.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:47

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:46

Lydia's

Remains one of the most popular royals since when?

I can certainly tell you I'm appalled at her behaviour and I used to like her.

I won't be alone.

Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realise popularity was measured by how YOU feel.

How powerful you must be!

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:47

So you deny that of all Megan markle hater's pier's Morgan isn't "the" most prolific?

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:48

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:42

The royals as a unit mixing with dubious people is a whole other thread. There have been numerous threads on it.

This is about Camilla and her team getting her to a party with mm no 1 hate preacher, present?

Then on top the Clarkson articles and oh....he was also there??

Her role as. Step mother? In a very delicate situation....has been blown wide open.

This

This is why a statement is needed ( to distance themselves from the hate speak )

And also why they can't make one
( because they have to continue to pretend they are above it all)

It would be funny if it wasn't so twisted

DewinDwl · 21/12/2022 10:48

Harry and Meghan don't need to put out a statement as it seems the RF are doing the Sussexes' PR for them these days! Honestly the last two weeks have been crash and burn for the RF's public image, here and abroad.

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:49

No Lydia that is quite a jump to suggest I'm powerful.

But I'm an example of someone who likes her and who feels this has been absolutely terrible move.

Careless, callous...cold hearted.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:50

But seeing as you asked - no 6. Below her husband but above Harry.

One of the reasons, IMO, for her popularity, is because she has spent decades remaining stoic in the face of harassment, nastiness (particularly about her appearance) and bullying from many sources, and focussed on her work and marriage. Not put out a stroppy message every time someone was unkind. And some of us are old enough to remember the vitriol received in the 90’s and the comments that WERE as bad as what Clarkson has said this week.

Disclaimer: that’s not to say I think other women should put up with hate in the same way. But if those women, who are no longer part do the institution, want to speak out then they can do it with the voice that they apparently fought so hard to have

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:51

Novellas

But on this specific occasion they can't pretend to be above it all because Camilla was socialising with the two men.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:51

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:47

So you deny that of all Megan markle hater's pier's Morgan isn't "the" most prolific?

I have no idea nor do I especially care. In the context of Camilla having a private lunch - it doesn’t matter. We have NO IDEA if she even spoke to him or ignored him the whole time. But to suggest she boycott it is absurd. She is not responsible for male commentators and their whineging

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:52

Besides - let’s say she HAD boycott it - unless they put a self congratulatory statement out, we would literally never know.

How do you know members of the RF have never chosen to boycott an event because certain people were there?

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:53

I'd Camilla/ the palace can't condem this then how on earth is she supposed to spear head the domestic violence chairty??

How can she speak out for them ?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:54

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:48

This

This is why a statement is needed ( to distance themselves from the hate speak )

And also why they can't make one
( because they have to continue to pretend they are above it all)

It would be funny if it wasn't so twisted

A statement is not needed.

heating and food is needed. Clean water in developing countries is needed.

A statesmen from the RF condemning a man who pretty much clearly is in the wrong is not needed. Let’s just calm the fuck down shall we.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:55

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:49

No Lydia that is quite a jump to suggest I'm powerful.

But I'm an example of someone who likes her and who feels this has been absolutely terrible move.

Careless, callous...cold hearted.

Callous and cold hearted to not boycott a lunch because ONE person is there who doesn’t love Meghan? Or callous and cold better to not predict the future and defend someone who’s actively trying to trash you?

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:56

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet
'Dignified silence '
No
Cowardly silence

FIFY
Camilla rehabilitated her image with domestic violence charity work . I am not interested in royals but I assumed it was genuine

Now we know it was cynical PR
This was the most blatant sexist racist attack on her daughter in law that any of us have seen and she
remained silent

It speaks volumes

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:56

Lydia's are you also old enough to remember all the times we have hosted the heads of murderous regime's?

It's not new.

What is specific about this particular situation is that she was there with two men one of whom is the UK's no hate preacher against mm. To the extent he lost his job over it.

Mm is a key part of her family surely?
For her husband's sake?

I feel very sorry for Harry, we all know Charles is a famous naval gazer but I think this illustrates just how little they all actually care for him and his children.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:56

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:53

I'd Camilla/ the palace can't condem this then how on earth is she supposed to spear head the domestic violence chairty??

How can she speak out for them ?

Because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the work of the charity.

The RF are not responsible for Clarkson’s comments nor is there any indication they endorse them.

Im Mel tried you are all gonna pull a muscle with Thai stretching.

Its a real shame the focus is being taken off a raging misogynistic and focussing instead on the lack of clairvoyancy of a woman who has nothing to do with it.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:58

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:56

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet
'Dignified silence '
No
Cowardly silence

FIFY
Camilla rehabilitated her image with domestic violence charity work . I am not interested in royals but I assumed it was genuine

Now we know it was cynical PR
This was the most blatant sexist racist attack on her daughter in law that any of us have seen and she
remained silent

It speaks volumes

Camilla rehabilitated her image carefully over the years long before the DV charity.

Calling a woman a coward for not starting mud slinging when people incited hated for her is way too close to victim blaming for my liking.

By the same principle I assume you think Meghan is a coward for not responding to the Clarkson article?

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:59

Lydia's I suggest you research the link's on speech and words and violence.

Hate speech.

Look into the links of the Islamic hate preachers who freely travelled preaching hate in the us and UK and laid the groundwork for the terror attacks that came down the line.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 11:00

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:56

Lydia's are you also old enough to remember all the times we have hosted the heads of murderous regime's?

It's not new.

What is specific about this particular situation is that she was there with two men one of whom is the UK's no hate preacher against mm. To the extent he lost his job over it.

Mm is a key part of her family surely?
For her husband's sake?

I feel very sorry for Harry, we all know Charles is a famous naval gazer but I think this illustrates just how little they all actually care for him and his children.

MM is a part of the family who has actively sought to destroy the reputation of Camilla and other family member and has done damage to them all when senior members were dying.

I don’t think Camilla’a no 1 goal should be with never ever being in the same room as someone who doesn’t like MM. she’s entitled to enjoy events she has been invited to without thinking age should shoulder the consequences of an unconnected man’s words

Blossomtoes · 21/12/2022 11:00

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:54

A statement is not needed.

heating and food is needed. Clean water in developing countries is needed.

A statesmen from the RF condemning a man who pretty much clearly is in the wrong is not needed. Let’s just calm the fuck down shall we.

This. I heard on the radio just now that one in a hundred children in this country are homeless.

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 11:01

" for not starting mud slinging"

Is that what you would call a statement condemning this? Camilla mud slinging??

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 11:01

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:59

Lydia's I suggest you research the link's on speech and words and violence.

Hate speech.

Look into the links of the Islamic hate preachers who freely travelled preaching hate in the us and UK and laid the groundwork for the terror attacks that came down the line.

Do not patronise me.

Camilla can champion DV causes without having to publicly condemn all forms of violence. It kind of goes without saying that any given person doesn’t agree with violence - especially one involved so heavily in work against DV

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 11:03

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet
Jesus

Camilla was there with him
Camilla is patron ofdomestic violence charities
Clarkson attacked her daughter in law in print in such a revolting way that it caused world wide outrage

And you don't see why Camilla should comment
If not Camilla should the royal family comment ?
Also no?
I see you

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 11:03

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 11:01

" for not starting mud slinging"

Is that what you would call a statement condemning this? Camilla mud slinging??

No. You’ve misunderstood what I’ve said.

You called Camilla a coward for tolerating the hate she received over the years.

I said that calling a woman a coward because she didn’t start mid slinging when people bullied her and incites hate towards her is too close to victim blaming.

By the same principle I’d say you’re calling Meghan a coward for staying silent about Clarkson?

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 11:04

Ok so we have had Jimmy saville, now we are onto world poverty.
Shall we also consider the needs of unknown ailens that may exist somewhere before we actually admit as a family member, Camilla/the palace/ the king's needs to condemn this article!
And they need to explain Camilla's presence at the party with mm no 1 preacher of hate.

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