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To think the palace should issue a statement condemning Clarkson's comments?

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Reindeersnooker · 20/12/2022 16:01

I'm all for their dignified silence on everything else. I don't trust Harry or Megan. But Jeremy Clarkson's comments are horrific and were made in Britain against a woman who has become a member of their family.

NOT issuing a statement sends out such a hurtful message and indicates that anything can be said about her, for all they care. Even the MPs have managed to put something on paper.

It's clear that Harry will be beyond hurt if they do nothing and this time he'd have a point, IMO. Each comment like this published in the press erodes the boundaries for online trolls. If I was Meghan, I wouldn't feel I could return to the UK as it's clear the normal rules don't apply to her. What will her children think of Britain when they grow up and become aware of these articles? Won't they be likely to wonder how the palace responded? While it makes no sense to try and placate Harry generally, letting this play out without one word of censure to the press seems needlessly provocative.

It wouldn't be difficult to issue a statement saying something to the effect of "We stand against bullying and hate speech..." Two lines to indicate they see it and it's not ok.

Or not?

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:27

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 09:53

And I was trying to think of the most trivial incident that the royals replied to
There are many more

The royals are a PR construct . That's all they are .
Yet they are silent on this

It wasn’t so much trivial put a statement in place of legal action. Which they never took. Because a statement seemingly did the job and made the doc fess up

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:28

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 09:57

@Cornettoninja

Silence is consent when the power lies with the person keeping silent

That is exactly the position here

The royals should have put out an immediate statement
They didn't

Who is advising them??

Probably their extremely knowledgable and experienced press office.

Someone should tell them they need to sack the lot and come into MN for their press advice!

Blossomtoes · 21/12/2022 10:29

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:14

I just think the optics look very very poor for Camilla right now.
There is no way Diana would have agreed to go with pier's Morgan there!

Given that Diana was a great friend of Jimmy Savile, I really don’t understand why you would possibly think that.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:30

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/12/2022 10:04

Given the outcry it’s caused I’m not convinced legislation is required when societal pressure is pretty much bang on in maintaining boundaries in this case

Precisely
If anyone was still ignorant of the standards of either Clarkson or the Sun at least that's been removed, and for the rest of us support of either is a useful red flag

Interesting about Harry supposedly trailing his book on ITV though, using a source whose CEO is now clearly seen to support Clarkson. Since it's been suggested that silence/lack of action amounts to appeasement, I wonder if that'll go ahead

William and Harry both use ITV a lot - they did for the Diana 20 years doc. I think it may be an objection to what Bashir and the BBC did to their mum

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:30

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet
That's a very PR statement you made
'How will a statement protect anyone '

Classic deflection
The royals have made a massive mistake
One of many to come I suspect

Apres moi le deluge
Even I didn't think it would come this fast !

BethJ62 · 21/12/2022 10:31

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:02

For gods sake !

They can make a statement .
They haven't

They are showing the world that H and M were right

Don’t be ridiculous! It doesn’t show anything of the sort . H and M usually like issuing statements so why don’t they say something?
If the palace issued a statement I am sure they would find fault with it .

Blossomtoes · 21/12/2022 10:31

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:30

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet
That's a very PR statement you made
'How will a statement protect anyone '

Classic deflection
The royals have made a massive mistake
One of many to come I suspect

Apres moi le deluge
Even I didn't think it would come this fast !

Why don’t you answer the question then? How would a statement help anyone?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:33

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:14

I just think the optics look very very poor for Camilla right now.
There is no way Diana would have agreed to go with pier's Morgan there!

Don’t be fooled Diana was as much a social climber as the next upper class person!

how the fuck have we got to a point where a MAN has written vile words of fantasising about violence on a woman, and the blame and focus has shift to ANOTHER WOMAN who has nothing to do with any of it except she was in the same vicinity at one point as some awful men.

Internalised misogyny at its finest.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:33

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:16

Pier's Morgan has been gunning for Megan for years now and even lost a job over it.
If Camilla or her "team" doesn't understand how speaking about women like this degenerates them, leading to violence she needs to step down immediately as a parton to this charity.

She needs to step down from a charity because Piers Morgan is a dick? What?!

lollipoprainbow · 21/12/2022 10:33

@Blossomtoes hardly the same, Diana didn't know the truth about him when she met him. Camilla knows damn well what piers and Jeremy think of Meghan and chooses to schmooze with them at a party.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:34

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:21

Largely ??

He had permission to use Buckingham place and you know it

I didn’t say he didn’t 🤣 this thread is funny

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:34

It's too late for a statement to help camillas PR now

They've missed the boat on that one

If you need to have it explained to you why it was damaging to the royals image ( and Camilla with her domestic violence charity PR) to let the international outrage continue as the royals stoood silent - I can't help you

Blossomtoes · 21/12/2022 10:35

lollipoprainbow · 21/12/2022 10:33

@Blossomtoes hardly the same, Diana didn't know the truth about him when she met him. Camilla knows damn well what piers and Jeremy think of Meghan and chooses to schmooze with them at a party.

Of course it’s the same. It was a ridiculous thing to say. Who knows what the fuck a woman who’s been dead for 25 years would do? Particularly one who showed such poor judgement.

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:35

@Blossomtoes

Maybe through Charles. Few people were aware of js horrific crimes at that point .

Piers Morgan on the other hand has been absolutely gunning for mm since the wedding and he had some run in with her.

It's all out in the open and he lost his job over it but Camilla is very happy to rub shoulders with him for a party?
The man who has a single minded campaign against her daughter in law?

The mother of her husband's supposedly missed and loved grandchildren?

They allow their grandchildrens mother to be dragged through the gutter press and enjoy drinks with them??

Imagine if she has seen pm and instantly said " I cannot attend this event for my Dil and for the work of my domestic violence chairty"..

They should be thinking of dropping her..

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:38

Blossom there is no way as a passionately loving mother she would hob knob with the man who is known nationally and probably internationally for being at the

"Forefront" of a viscous campaign against mm.

What mother' would???

It's utterly shameful.

Coxspurplepippin · 21/12/2022 10:39

lollipoprainbow · 21/12/2022 10:33

@Blossomtoes hardly the same, Diana didn't know the truth about him when she met him. Camilla knows damn well what piers and Jeremy think of Meghan and chooses to schmooze with them at a party.

The problem with that is that royal bashers use the same argument against Charles and claim he did know what Savil was like, so it's a bit of a stretch to claim that and then say Diana didn't know what he was like. Diana was friendly with dodgy people - I suppose it's what happens when you meet lots of people, it's difficult to avoid all the dodgy ones.

It's fairly typical that Clarkson's foul vomitage has now become the fault of a woman Hmm

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:39

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:25

How utterly obtuse.

They can release a statement to say they are deeply disappointed in a piece written by JC on mm.
They can say it was an error of judgement that Camilla attended the bash with pm also in attendance and as a patron of domestic violence charity she condems public degeneration of women in such terms especially of her step daughter in law.

It it want an error of judgement - in what way attending did it have ANYTHING to do with DV victims?

Once again - the RF do not respond to every unpleasant article and cannot set that precedent. They have at times responded to the odd thing - one of the biggest being a defence of Meghan when she was only Harry’s girlfriend. It’s nothing to do with them. The onus is on The Scum and Clarkson. Whatsmore - Harry and Meghan left the RF, left their roles, went to the US and began to air their dirty laundry, tell lies, slag off the family and make unfounded accusations against its members. They’re hardly in a position for every senior member to be considering their feelings every nanosecond of the day including not attending something whereby someone who has been critical of them and their attitudes is there. You cannot grab and try to damage the reputation of people and then expect unwavering loyalty back to the point you forgo your own fun.

Whatsmore - Piers Morgan has spoken out against Meghan but he has not links tk DV or inciting it.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:41

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:30

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet
That's a very PR statement you made
'How will a statement protect anyone '

Classic deflection
The royals have made a massive mistake
One of many to come I suspect

Apres moi le deluge
Even I didn't think it would come this fast !

So you’re not gonna answer the question on how a statement breaking the tradition of dignified silence, will protect anyone?

And how will it protect anyone to never be in the vicinity of anyone who’s ever said something some member of the RF doesn’t like?

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:42

The royals as a unit mixing with dubious people is a whole other thread. There have been numerous threads on it.

This is about Camilla and her team getting her to a party with mm no 1 hate preacher, present?

Then on top the Clarkson articles and oh....he was also there??

Her role as. Step mother? In a very delicate situation....has been blown wide open.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:42

lollipoprainbow · 21/12/2022 10:33

@Blossomtoes hardly the same, Diana didn't know the truth about him when she met him. Camilla knows damn well what piers and Jeremy think of Meghan and chooses to schmooze with them at a party.

Well that’s very convenient. St Diana the Wronged never put a foot wrong in her life though I guess.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:43

Novella4 · 21/12/2022 10:34

It's too late for a statement to help camillas PR now

They've missed the boat on that one

If you need to have it explained to you why it was damaging to the royals image ( and Camilla with her domestic violence charity PR) to let the international outrage continue as the royals stoood silent - I can't help you

I’m afraid you do because Camilla has done absolutely nothing wrong.

And she remains to be one of the most popular Royals. Sorry bout that.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:43

Blossomtoes · 21/12/2022 10:35

Of course it’s the same. It was a ridiculous thing to say. Who knows what the fuck a woman who’s been dead for 25 years would do? Particularly one who showed such poor judgement.

So even though the Yewtree enquiry found that Saville being a massive nonce was the industry’s worst kept secret, St Diana was the only one who never knew?

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:44

" protect" is a presenting a false dichotomy.

It doesn't" protect" because the damage is already done.

It condems this vilness.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 21/12/2022 10:46

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:42

The royals as a unit mixing with dubious people is a whole other thread. There have been numerous threads on it.

This is about Camilla and her team getting her to a party with mm no 1 hate preacher, present?

Then on top the Clarkson articles and oh....he was also there??

Her role as. Step mother? In a very delicate situation....has been blown wide open.

Why on earth should she miss out on her fun and invitations because someone who doesn’t like one member (and member who has actively damaged Camilla’s reputation herself, or tried to) is there? As I say - they’d never move anywhere if that’s the stance they took.

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 21/12/2022 10:46

Lydia's

Remains one of the most popular royals since when?

I can certainly tell you I'm appalled at her behaviour and I used to like her.

I won't be alone.