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Has Jeremy Clarkson just proved Harry and Meghan right?

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Stopclutchingpearls · 19/12/2022 17:59

On the radio it was discussing how Harry and Meghan said on Netflix that they got very upset in the past when newspapers would write horrible articles and the Royal Family institute would never have their backs and condone the articles in public.
so after the disgusting article that Jeremy wrote albeit his lame apology on Twitter, there has been no news as far as I am aware of the Royal Family saying violence written about Meghan etc is wrong.
so that being said haven’t they done what Meghan and Harry were moaning about that the Royal family never had their backs?

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RandomSunday · 19/12/2022 23:20

WomanhoodIsABirthright · 19/12/2022 20:30

😂😂😂 After they way they've behaved? They've made their bed and shown what they think of 'family'.

It's absolutely right that they fend for themselves. If they'ved stayed as working royals they'd get all that comes with that.

They decided to tell their family and Britain to go fuck themselves, so, reap what you sow comes to mind.

If they actually fucked off to this quiet life they keep claiming they want, instead of trying to play the media, they wouldn't get bad press.

??
Maybe you could back your statement up with facts.

When did H&M tell the family and Britain to go fuck themselves?

minou123 · 19/12/2022 23:22

healthadvice123 · 19/12/2022 23:05

@minou123 and what did they sue for ? Not for someones words but for photos and leaks

Copyright against The Sun and Privacy for the Mirror.
But The Mirror was for words. The reporter described eveything he saw and did while at Buck. There was nothing controversial or horrid that he saw, just laid the Queen's breakfast table, what she ate etc. Queen sued for invasion of privacy. (There was a serious concern fur security as well, bit nit sure if yiu can sue someone for that)
She won, both times.

The Queen also sued The Sun another time for Copyright when they somehow managed to get a photo of Fergie and her 2 daughters, that the Queen was planning in using for some official Xmas thing. She won that one aswell.

If you want an example of the RF suing for someone's words. Then we have William and Kate who were very angry at the misogyny and sexism Kate suffered in an article written by Tatler. They started legal proceedings to sue Tatler but Tatler changed the article and removed the offending parts.

The Tatler article was misogynistic and nasty, very similar to the shite you read on MN about Kate, or Meghan for that matter.
They were right to complain and start legal proceedings.

When they want to, they can and do speak out.

RandomSunday · 19/12/2022 23:28

Choccolatte · 19/12/2022 22:50

He's not outlandish he is a misogynistic cunt.

Yep. And always has been. JC is a vile creature. I hope MM sues

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 19/12/2022 23:29

When will people learn that the RF press office don’t reply to every unsavoury comment or twatty article. Putting out a statement saying they’re cross with Jeremy Clarkson wouldn’t protect anybody. Over the years we’ve seen endless articles about Catherine and Camilla (particularly scathing comments about their appearances) - it’s not Hollywood, you can’t end up in a situation where they go back and forth saying “you’re mean and we don’t like it”.

DownNative · 19/12/2022 23:38

MamaFirst · 19/12/2022 22:02

What did they lie about? When? How do you know it to be lies?

Here we go.

Since the Oprah interview with Meghan and Harry has cropped up again, here is several questionable claims they made to Oprah that clearly aren't true.

Claim: "I guess the highlight for me is sticking him on the back of a bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on bike rides which is something I was never able to do when I was young. I can sit him on the back and he’s got his arms out and he’s like ‘whoah’.” - Prince Harry

Truth: Harry did go on bike rides with his father at various ages. Photos available online.

Claim: Meghan: “[But] you know, three days before our wedding, we got married. No-one knows that.

“We called the Archbishop and we just said, ‘Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world but we want our union between us.’ So, the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury.”

Harry added: “Just the three of us.”

Truth: Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby: “The legal wedding was on the Saturday. I signed the wedding certificate, which is a legal document, and I would have committed a serious criminal offence if I signed it knowing it was false.”

Claim: Oprah: "After their move, Harry and Meghan say security normally provided by the royal family was cut off.”

Harry: “I never thought that I would have my security removed, because I was born into this position. I inherited the risk. So that was a shock to me. That was what completely changed the whole plan.”

Truth: Only a strict few members of the Royal Family were entitled to 24/7 protection at the time of the Oprah interview. These are:

the Queen and Prince Philip
Charles and wife Camilla Duchess of Cornwall
William and Kate and their kids

Working Royals are entitled to protection ONLY when undertaking official Royal duties. Princess Anne and Prince Edward are two examples.

Non-working members of the Royal Family are NOT entitled to official protection. Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice as well as the Queen's eldest grandchild, Zara Tindal are examples.

"Once Harry and Meghan step down as working royals, they become high net worth individuals/A-list celebrities but that doesn’t entitle them to taxpayer-funded security. Elton John has to pay for his own security and so do Harry and Meghan.” - Simon Morgan, a former royal protection officer.

Royal Protection officers are funded by the British Taxpayer.

Both Harry and Oprah clearly pointed the finger at the Royal Family regarding the loss of Royal Protection officers for Harry and Meghan.

In truth, London Metropolitan Police’s Royal and VIP Executive Committee make the decisions over who is entitled to Protection.

And who isn't.

Harry knew very well that ceasing to be a working Royal would absolutely mean losing the elite protection. After all, it was never a secret that various non-working Royals do NOT get armed protection.

So, why would he and his wife?

The truth was clearly distorted by Oprah, Meghan and Harry.

Claim: Meghan: "You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more."

Truth: For security reasons, the passports of each member of the Royal Family is looked after until they require them for international travel. That's just commonsense.

To Oprah, Meghan claimed she never saw her passport again until "we came here" which would be California. However, this is clearly a lie as she required her passport for travelling to Canada upon leaving the UK.

And, in 2019, required her passport for travel to the USA for a rather extravagant baby shower which was attended by many of her friends.

All members of the Royal Family require a passport for ALL travel where its required.

Except for the Queen since it's issued in her name. When travelling, all other members of the RF have to personally produce their own passports.

As proven here: www.royal.uk/passports

Meghan Markle also claimed:

"....the first member of color in this family isn't being titled in the same way as other grandchildren would be."

Truth: On the contrary, Archie is really treated no differently to the Queen's grandchildren who aren't entitled to the Prince and Princess style.

Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips, for example, don't have this style. Zara is the Queen's eldest grandchild, by the way.

Furthermore, Prince Edward's children are NOT styled as Prince and Princess despite the Letters Patent of 1917. They are styled as children of the Earl - not HRH Prince and Princess.

Edward's children are the first to have the double barrelled Mountbatten-Windsor name.

Harry and Meghan's son, Archie, is treated in the exact same way as Edward's children AND he carries the same double barrelled surname as they do.

Here again, Meghan's implied claim of racism doesn't stand up.

Of course, Meghan incorrectly referred to Archie as one of the Queen's grandchildren. He was a great-grandson of the late Queen since his father, Harry was her grandson. Archie was treated NO differently to any great-grandchildren who WEREN'T entitled to Prince and Princess titles during the late Queen's reign.

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 19/12/2022 23:39

Finebonechina123 · 19/12/2022 18:26

Yes absolutely. Utterly vile and reprehensible. He should not have a platform to utter such vitriolic rhetoric.

This

minou123 · 19/12/2022 23:41

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 19/12/2022 23:29

When will people learn that the RF press office don’t reply to every unsavoury comment or twatty article. Putting out a statement saying they’re cross with Jeremy Clarkson wouldn’t protect anybody. Over the years we’ve seen endless articles about Catherine and Camilla (particularly scathing comments about their appearances) - it’s not Hollywood, you can’t end up in a situation where they go back and forth saying “you’re mean and we don’t like it”.

But the RF have gone back and forth saying "you're mean and we don't like it" about a number of articles over the years.

They have even added, "now I am going to sue you" and done that too.

onlylarkin · 19/12/2022 23:41

I 100% think that this has proved their point which is

  1. the press is toxic when it comes to Meghan.

Yes this is an individual writing it, but the Sun chose to print it. IMO, I think they thought it would be ok and there would be little backlash.

I also doubt that there would have been as much backash without the documentary. I have noticed a lot more people posting online that they now support M & H after watching it. My opinion only.

  1. The RF can continue their silence as it has for many years, but IMO at this point they are going to have to take a stand against this type of press. Staying silent when this is being written about a family member is not a good look. Especially after the Lady S fiasco.

I don't know if it is just a perfect storm of bad things happening for the RF or if this has been a long time coming after being hidden or ignored for so long, but it puts the palace in a very precarious position.

Harry and Meghan tried to fight back while inside the firm and were unsuccessful, brought this to light and have essentially forced the hand of The Firm.

This is vindication for H & M and if the palace stays silent, people will think the palace supports this crap and has all along.

I think this may end up being the biggest catalyst of change in the modernization of the RF.

Or will be the start of their downfall.

wishingyouwell · 19/12/2022 23:41

@lydia Amongst other examples, they responded when there were media suggestions of Kate having botox.
They responded to Tatler's insinuation her mother was from a low class background.
The RF respond to issues they view as important. Sexism and racism seems not to be worthy of a response but Kate's botox or lack of, is.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 19/12/2022 23:44

minou123 · 19/12/2022 23:41

But the RF have gone back and forth saying "you're mean and we don't like it" about a number of articles over the years.

They have even added, "now I am going to sue you" and done that too.

Have they? When?

The only time I recall them telling anyone to back off was when Harry was dating Meghan.

WhistlingInWhistler · 19/12/2022 23:47

No one is castigating Judi Dench for being there, or the others who were.

Possibly because Judi Dench isn't Harry's step mother?

BluebirdRobin · 19/12/2022 23:51

Of all the hours of documentary I watched of h&m on Netflix... a short paragraph from Clarkson is what made me feel for mm.

Whatever anyone thinks of her, the poor cow doesn't deserve that level of hate!

minou123 · 19/12/2022 23:54

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 19/12/2022 23:44

Have they? When?

The only time I recall them telling anyone to back off was when Harry was dating Meghan.

I've listed a couple of them on this thread.
My post at 21.35 and at 23.22.

These are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
But give me 10 mins and Google and I'm sure I can find many more 😁

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 19/12/2022 23:55

‘Poor cow’ Hmm is this how we refer to women we feel sorry for now?

I really, really do not agree with cancel culture at all. But I’d be willing to make an exception for Jeremy Clarkson. He should have been cancelled the moment he punched his staff member for delivering cold food to him. As should his sidekicks Dumb and Dumber who left Top Gear over it. But IIRC 3 million people signed a petition calling for him not to lose his job??? I worry about the mindset of British people sometimes

minou123 · 19/12/2022 23:57

minou123 · 19/12/2022 23:54

I've listed a couple of them on this thread.
My post at 21.35 and at 23.22.

These are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
But give me 10 mins and Google and I'm sure I can find many more 😁

Sorry @LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet I forgot the other post I made at 23.01 which details some more.

Staniel · 20/12/2022 00:03

It's a rallying cry to all the racists and misogynists that 'it's okay lads, we can all say what we like now Jeremy has been published by a national newspaper'

Exactly. Literally every woman - regardless of their feelings on Meghan and Harry - should be fucking LIVID about his article.

How fucking dangerous words can be. I'm so angry and upset about it. God knows how Meghan must feel. Yes, it absolutely proves their point, in spades.

Staniel · 20/12/2022 00:05

DownNative · 19/12/2022 23:38

Here we go.

Since the Oprah interview with Meghan and Harry has cropped up again, here is several questionable claims they made to Oprah that clearly aren't true.

Claim: "I guess the highlight for me is sticking him on the back of a bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on bike rides which is something I was never able to do when I was young. I can sit him on the back and he’s got his arms out and he’s like ‘whoah’.” - Prince Harry

Truth: Harry did go on bike rides with his father at various ages. Photos available online.

Claim: Meghan: “[But] you know, three days before our wedding, we got married. No-one knows that.

“We called the Archbishop and we just said, ‘Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world but we want our union between us.’ So, the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury.”

Harry added: “Just the three of us.”

Truth: Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby: “The legal wedding was on the Saturday. I signed the wedding certificate, which is a legal document, and I would have committed a serious criminal offence if I signed it knowing it was false.”

Claim: Oprah: "After their move, Harry and Meghan say security normally provided by the royal family was cut off.”

Harry: “I never thought that I would have my security removed, because I was born into this position. I inherited the risk. So that was a shock to me. That was what completely changed the whole plan.”

Truth: Only a strict few members of the Royal Family were entitled to 24/7 protection at the time of the Oprah interview. These are:

the Queen and Prince Philip
Charles and wife Camilla Duchess of Cornwall
William and Kate and their kids

Working Royals are entitled to protection ONLY when undertaking official Royal duties. Princess Anne and Prince Edward are two examples.

Non-working members of the Royal Family are NOT entitled to official protection. Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice as well as the Queen's eldest grandchild, Zara Tindal are examples.

"Once Harry and Meghan step down as working royals, they become high net worth individuals/A-list celebrities but that doesn’t entitle them to taxpayer-funded security. Elton John has to pay for his own security and so do Harry and Meghan.” - Simon Morgan, a former royal protection officer.

Royal Protection officers are funded by the British Taxpayer.

Both Harry and Oprah clearly pointed the finger at the Royal Family regarding the loss of Royal Protection officers for Harry and Meghan.

In truth, London Metropolitan Police’s Royal and VIP Executive Committee make the decisions over who is entitled to Protection.

And who isn't.

Harry knew very well that ceasing to be a working Royal would absolutely mean losing the elite protection. After all, it was never a secret that various non-working Royals do NOT get armed protection.

So, why would he and his wife?

The truth was clearly distorted by Oprah, Meghan and Harry.

Claim: Meghan: "You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more."

Truth: For security reasons, the passports of each member of the Royal Family is looked after until they require them for international travel. That's just commonsense.

To Oprah, Meghan claimed she never saw her passport again until "we came here" which would be California. However, this is clearly a lie as she required her passport for travelling to Canada upon leaving the UK.

And, in 2019, required her passport for travel to the USA for a rather extravagant baby shower which was attended by many of her friends.

All members of the Royal Family require a passport for ALL travel where its required.

Except for the Queen since it's issued in her name. When travelling, all other members of the RF have to personally produce their own passports.

As proven here: www.royal.uk/passports

Meghan Markle also claimed:

"....the first member of color in this family isn't being titled in the same way as other grandchildren would be."

Truth: On the contrary, Archie is really treated no differently to the Queen's grandchildren who aren't entitled to the Prince and Princess style.

Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips, for example, don't have this style. Zara is the Queen's eldest grandchild, by the way.

Furthermore, Prince Edward's children are NOT styled as Prince and Princess despite the Letters Patent of 1917. They are styled as children of the Earl - not HRH Prince and Princess.

Edward's children are the first to have the double barrelled Mountbatten-Windsor name.

Harry and Meghan's son, Archie, is treated in the exact same way as Edward's children AND he carries the same double barrelled surname as they do.

Here again, Meghan's implied claim of racism doesn't stand up.

Of course, Meghan incorrectly referred to Archie as one of the Queen's grandchildren. He was a great-grandson of the late Queen since his father, Harry was her grandson. Archie was treated NO differently to any great-grandchildren who WEREN'T entitled to Prince and Princess titles during the late Queen's reign.

Wtf? Doesn't this sort of thing live on the crazy RF threads?

Really tone deaf.

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/12/2022 00:06

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Gooseysgirl · 20/12/2022 00:18

NRTFT. Yes he has proved H&M right. He is a pathetic excuse for a human being.

DownNative · 20/12/2022 00:34

Staniel · 20/12/2022 00:05

Wtf? Doesn't this sort of thing live on the crazy RF threads?

Really tone deaf.

Your reading comprehension must be really poor because a previous poster was asking for evidence of their lies previously. So, provided them.

Care to respond to the substance of it? 🤷‍♂️

DownNative · 20/12/2022 00:37

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Hardly.

And yet the evidence of the previously requested distortions and lies has been provided. You can choose to ignore them if you wish.

For the record, Clarkson is an idiot with some pretty concerning views for which he is being rightly castigated.

Let's cease the Ad Hominem nonsense, shall we? 🤔

Staniel · 20/12/2022 00:41

DownNative · 20/12/2022 00:34

Your reading comprehension must be really poor because a previous poster was asking for evidence of their lies previously. So, provided them.

Care to respond to the substance of it? 🤷‍♂️

I couldn't care less about this kind of nonsense.

Your posts are tone deaf and have absolutely nothing to do with the thread.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 20/12/2022 00:43

Jeez, I hope it does irreparable damage to JC - he is such a vile individual.

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