Yet another Netflix production from H&M

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Oh please make it stop....

www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2839717/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-feature-Live-Lead-trailer.html

This is a weird one. Some interesting participants and an interesting subject. Sadly I find H&M too grating to be able to watch. I'm sure they consider themselves World Leaders on a parr with the other participants.

I'm sure they consider themselves World Leaders on a parr with the other participants

Where do you get that impression? I mean, they're only exec producers on this program.

It makes me wonder why they didn't just pursue a media type career from the start, rather than trying to be fulltime royals. The Queen said Meghan could continue acting and that was no problem. I mean, doing raunchy media-related stuff might have been a bit much, but doing non controversial documentaries on Great People, nature/wildlife programs and so on, would have been completely fine.

Regarding the recently announced one, I doubt that they are just doing voiceovers. It will be Archewell style pre recorded segments regularly interspersed with "Oh, I can soooo relate..." vocal fry by Meghan.
We will probably get the Nelson Mandela story and the teary pilot again and a few other self-congratulatory snippets of fiction.

Why?

They were trying to get people to give them inspiring stories for free on the archewell website (where archewell would take copyright).

that hasn’t worked so they’re buying pre-made documentary’s (with a free UN speech thrown in) and adding their own special slant. It doesn’t seem very authentic? Is this what philanthropists do?

Their commercial model is dodgy. I remember when they visited the school in New York and videoed the children without their parents' permission. I wonder whether that and zoom call footage will be recycled for future projects.

They also distributed fruit from the mansion gardens which one mother stated was rotten. It is in the same category of tone deaf as giving out rucksacks to the homeless during The Cut interview.

The whole documentary buying - It seems rather like buying a thesis off the internet any trying to pass it off as your own.

They aren’t commissioning others to make documentaries, they’re buying off the shelf stuff and adding some voiceover so they can call it their own work

Like when people buy cheap chicken from Brazil but by some producing sleight of hand are able to label it as ‘Made in Britain’

do other documentary makers do this ?

They aren’t commissioning others to make documentaries, they’re buying off the shelf stuff and adding some voiceover so they can call it their own work.

It reminds me a bit of the song "Out of your Mind" that Victoria Beckham tried to get a no 1 with. She moved a couple of words round and she declared that made her a songwriter so she then got writing credits and a cut of the profits. To be fair lots of singers do it, thst was just the first time I'd heard that happened - when one of the writers spoke out against VB.

Beyoncé is the queen of doing this.
She had songwriting credits on the DC Christmas album for ‘silent night’ 😂

Silent Night. 😂😂😂 But exactly! They just stick some ooos and ahhhs in and, voila, they earn millions. So unfair.

So I looked this up. It is apparently a normal thing for filmmakers to create their documentaries and then peddle them out to buyers.

www.documentary.org/feature/everything-you-need-know-about-distributing-documentaries

So they are, once again, participating in industry standards in the US. Not sure why, when they do it, it is wrong. 🙄

@onlylarkin

i read that article quickly - it is talking about ‘distribution’ - it’s about trying to sell a film to a studio (cinema release) or a TV /cable station etc. or someone like Netflix to distribute so viewers can watch it. That is the way it has always worked.

But that is completely different to buying a product ready for distribution, editing your voiceovers into it and selling it on as your own Harry and Meghan production.

There is a clear difference

@Ohnonevermind

You are incorrect. Another example

www.desktop-documentaries.com/how-does-an-independent-filmmaker-get-their-movie-on-netflix.html

One thing is to pitch your own docu and another is to sell it to someone that will add an intro and an end and endorse it as it was their own.
All in the name or charity, philanthropy etc.

This isn't charity though? They have a production company and plan to earn money through it so they aren't living off UK taxpayer dollars. This is a business practice that is normal in the US.

Here, for anyone who wants it, is all the big name stars who own production companies and produce films.

www.imdb.com/list/ls062737048/

I have been trying to find the connection between the Nelson Mandala Foundation and Archewell.

www.royal.uk/duke-and-duchess-sussex-visit-nelson-mandela-centenary-exhibition

Looks like Harry has visited in 2015, and in 2008. He gave a speech during the event in 2015, long before this documentary was in the works and Meghan was around. It appears, that Harry and then Harry & Meghan have a previously established relationship with the Nelson Mandela Foundation.

I don't see any connection with H & M to Blackwell & Ruth, but I did a quick search. There may be something I have missed.

What I am not finding is something untoward. Just a standard business deal. Is that because H & M were interested in the project and reached out? Maybe. Was it because the NMF wanted them to present? Maybe. No one knows.

I do find it rather, odd I guess, that so many people complain that the royals live off tax payer money. Then when they do find jobs, those same people seem to complain about that.

They are working, making money and not slagging off the RF in this series. Instead they are presenting a group of highly inspirational people with 2 very respected foundations/companies with the goal of inspiring new leaders for our future.

Also, they never called it their own work. Even in the NMF news release, it was said they were partnering with Blackwell & Ruth and the Nelson Mandela Foundation. At no point did H & M claim this was their own work. Not one time.

This is so similar to her latest claim on an aeroplane a steward apparently said "I just wanted you to know I appreciate your sacrifice" what bloody sacrifice? It sounds like more Meghan fantasies. This Stewart never came forward either. It's as if she has an idea and then projects it on to another person who supposedly says these things about her. I think she has serious mental health issues.

They are working, making money and not slagging off the RF in this series.

Oh well, a roud of applause for that? 🙄

So I looked this up. It is apparently a normal thing for filmmakers to create their documentaries and then peddle them out to buyers.

Meh. Someone else made the series, HAM bought it and stuck their name on it. Maybe that is just what happens in Hollywood. It's like a company in China making cheapo bags, I buy them in bulk and stick my logo on it. I make absolutely no creative or entrepreneurial contribution. I just buy and retail. Nothing wrong with that. Obviously, if I then try to claim it was all my creative idea and claim credit, then it's more problematic.

What I find more interesting is that because Harry gave money for this, he got to speak at the UN. So basically he bought a spot at the UN. It's obviously acceptable practice and it makes me curious if that's how the UN operates generally, selling speaker slots. I wonder what the going rate is?

So what if they 'stuck their name on it'. What do detractors of H&M actually want?

They are accused of taking money from Charles back in the OW interview yet when they are making their own way, their own money, that is wrong too?

I've said it for years... they can't do anything right. Ever. It's getting so see through now, and I see it.

This isn’t normal practice, they are buying other peoples work (who couldn’t get a distribution deal) and passing it off as a Meghan and Harry production in conjunction with the Nelson Mandela foundation.

They could have released it as a Nelson foundation project under archewell but are adding their own voices to it so it so they can claim ownership.

I can see Netflix going bust over this. Oh well. I just hope if that happens they will let some of their decent shows be taken on by other streaming services.

I did read somewhere before that this was a reason behind the Obamas walking. They wanted to promote other people but Netflix wanted their voices in every production.

H&M either don’t mind or can’t afford to leave so Netflix will buy prepacked series with other peoples hard work and vision and get Harry and Meghan to do cute ‘finishing each others sentences’ voiceovers and pass them off as Harry and Meghan Production as they’re claiming executive producer roles