Harry and Meghan want a royal summit — and an apology

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-want-a-royal-summit-and-an-apology-hm58n8s6p

Oh dear...

Nothing would surprise me.

If Harry felt terrified of his brother raising his voice what exactly did he fear?

Physical violence? Unlikely.

@Blip

being told no for the first time in his life,
he doesn’t seem to have gotten over it yet

😆 at being told No.
Probably wasn't looking forward to relaying the No to Meghan either.

They need to be at the coronation. Without the royal link they have no cachet. That needs refreshed constantly in the public eye.

They are surrounded by people telling them what they want to hear. Has no one pointed out there is fault on both sides? They really can't seem to see (or care) that their actions are also hurting people.

How did Diana change the monarchy??

Family fall outs can shake you to your core. And they're the firm before they're family, really. That must hurt.

The fall out might shake him but not his brother shouting.

sigh

The Defender of the Faith title was given to Henry VIII by the Pope because he wrote a pamphlet in response to one written by Martin Luther - at a time in history when Martin Luther's writings were considered heretical by the Roman Catholic Church.

The title remained because monarchs didn't (dont) like giving up these things and because it goes quite nicely with the monarch being head of the CoE since Henry subsequently broke with Rome.

It isn't about the monarch working to increase individual members of the Church of England and never has been. I can just imagine how it would have gone down if the Queen had turned evangelist!!

Eh? ‘A source close to the couple said…’

So no official statement or direct quote from them? No official statement from BP?

yawn

I can just imagine how it would have gone down if the Queen had turned evangelist!!

Well, she was a big fan of Billy Graham! 😁

I think she did 'defend the faith' though without being pushy about it; her faith was one of the things I really loved about the Queen actually, seemingly very genuine and understated. She was a 'real' Christian I would say, and Charles has a deep faith too.

Eh? ‘A source close to the couple said…’
So no official statement or direct quote from them? No official statement from BP?
yawn

Yeah, even if the article is true, BP's silence makes it all pretty irrelevant.

Sounds to me as if you think defending the faith necessarily means attacking/removing/preventing all the others. Not a very good thing for even a Southern Baptist to suggest as a policy, and certainly at least a century out of date for anyone not a religious bigot. The Queen was neither a Southern Baptist nor a religious bigot, thank God.

Harry Windsor was in the army for ten years. I think that counts as employment by someone else, and under orders rather than merely doing work that someone else tells you to do; I would certainly define it as a job.

It's funny how his having been a soldier can be used as a reason he couldn't have been frightened by a family summit in which three people opposed his position, one at least of them forcefully, but his having been a soldier isn't seen as having been employed or done anything that was hard work.

On that first point: too many soldiers come out of the army and end up unemployed and homeless, and too many have serious mental problems because of their experience in the army. On the way home from tours in Afghanistan officers were given a bit of time in Cyprus to decompress. I remember vividly one telling me "I was sitting on a wall in the sun and I found I was crying because I had just realised that I didn't have my weapon in easy reach. Only it didn't matter because nobody was trying to kill me." In Afghan they took their loaded weapons with them to bed, and to eat, and wherever they went, just because at any moment someone might start trying to kill them. I don't think it's surprising if that might have some effect on the state of their nerves afterwards even if they didn't see someone killed or have to kill someone.

Haha! There really is no chance of reconciliation with these two narcissists.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime didn’t other soldiers say he was a nuisance in Afghanistan as a security risk and that he spent most of his time playing X Box? I mean it is employment as he was a professional soldier but it’s not really a ‘normal’ workplace scenario that most of us would imagine. Of course HR actually did have to deal with him several times but that was because he was using racial slurs against his own colleagues. Was the nazi uniform before or after he joined the army? Can’t see anyone else getting in or staying in after that, guess he had been treated pretty extraordinarily.

It was before. He wore it in January 2005, and went to Sandhurst in May 2005. But he'd been accepted in September 2004, amid a certain amount of fanfare, so refusing to take him after all would have caused quite a fuss.

The surprising thing, to me, was that he was commissioned after not only referring to one of his fellow-soldiers by a derogatory word for somebody from Pakistan, and another as a towel-head, but for god's sake filming himself doing it and then publishing the film! "Too much of an idiot for us to commission" would have been the verdict on anyone else, at that point: he would just have been one more who was dropped out for whatever reason. It would only have taken the one occasion (which I think was all there was).

Even if he did spend his time in Afghan playing X Box and lollygagging, he was still in a place where someone might suddenly decide to start killing people – at a meal, or anywhere at random. That will have had an effect on him as on everyone else; and he would have been more of a target than most because of who his family was, so even if he had a security detail it would have been more immediate for him as something to be aware of at all times. That can't be easy.

Doesn't excuse being an arse, but may explain it.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime those are good points, thank you for making them.

Ps what's lollygagging??

The whole William thing reminds me of my narc BIL. He will push and push, say what he likes, be horrible to everyone. Anyone says anything to him he acts like a wounded kitten and everyone is ‘ganging up on him’. I’m not even sure it’s the narc behaviour, it’s the victim mentality he has.

im only on episode 3. Im shocked at the me me me way everything is presented. Nothing is in context. They aren’t the only people hounded by the press. That bit about them waiting outside school, it’s like it didn’t happen to William as well, just to him?

Or maybe terrified by what it meant rather than the actual screaming? Like that his family was wrecked and he'd have no help or support from his family/employers. He's obviously not worried William is going to beat him up. He's a trained soldier what with being the only one in the RF to have ever had a real job. Well, besides his wife.

But William is not going to watch his children go through the same thing with no security and as mixed race people. So yes, he's probably seeing a different angle.

I must have dreamed that William was a fully qualified helecopter pilot and worked for the air ambulance then. But let's ignore the facts.

Funny that some thing Harry tried but was to dumb to do it.

They did have security. They left the country and the RF so now they don’t have paid for security. It’s a choice.

No he wasn’t. He’s a qualified pilot.

He was a co-pilot gunners as they would not let him fly

He was still qualified .