Page 13 | Kate's Official Response to the Netflix Documentary

Blossomtoes · 16/12/2022 23:30

How can Kate defend the faith when she follows the line to never complain and never explain?

It’s not her job to defend the faith, that duty sits with the monarch and no one else.

inthedeepshade · 16/12/2022 23:32

Ugh, such a clickbaity title for a thread.

Coronateachingagain · 16/12/2022 23:36

Sorry what vilification? Being a certain % black does not entitle you demand support from people in the way you expect (American embracing type etc) nor does release you from normal civil responsibilities (and I am probably more black in % terms than Markle by the way).

Inspecto · 16/12/2022 23:38

Blossomtoes · 16/12/2022 23:30

How can Kate defend the faith when she follows the line to never complain and never explain?

It’s not her job to defend the faith, that duty sits with the monarch and no one else.

I thought she would be the Queen Consort supporting his role in defending the faith?

The point still stands: how can either of them defend the faith when they never complain and never explain?

antelopevalley · 16/12/2022 23:42

JemimaTiggywinkles · 16/12/2022 18:05

publicly saying your dead mother was paranoid is a major slur.

Bashir’s forgeries may well have contributed to Diana’s poor mental health and the further breakdown in D&C’s attempts at coparenting. William did nothing wrong by pointing that out, given he and Harry are probably the two people most affected by it. He was 13 when the documentary occurred, so certainly old enough to remember how his mother’s mental health was.

As someone who has suffered poor mental health in the past, I find your characterisation of a mental health condition as a “slur” really quite offensive. You wouldn’t claim that stating someone has cancer is a slur. So what is so offensive about having a mental health condition?

It is not offensive if someone has a mental health condition to acknowledge that.
It is a slur to call someone talking about how they are being badly treated by their family as simply paranoid.

Inspecto · 16/12/2022 23:49

Blossomtoes · 16/12/2022 23:30

How can Kate defend the faith when she follows the line to never complain and never explain?

It’s not her job to defend the faith, that duty sits with the monarch and no one else.

Defenders of the Faith There’s a new book about this in the lead up to Charles’ coronation.

Synopsis: “During the Coronation of King Charles III and Queen Camilla, the Christian Church will take centre stage once again, as the established religion in England. But why does the Church have such prominence in state affairs, and should it keep this privileged position in 21st Century, multi-faith Britain?”

Looks like the coronation is for husband and wife. So the defender of the faith role is between the married couple, with the monarch taking the lead role and the consort being supportive.

Blossomtoes · 17/12/2022 00:05

It is a slur to call someone talking about how they are being badly treated by their family as simply paranoid.

Paranoia is a classic symptom of mental illness. Diana’s mental illness is well documented by sources outside the royal family. Wasn’t it you who just defended washing dirty linen in public?

Coxspurplepippin · 17/12/2022 00:08

'which at its most extreme resulting in credible death threats.'

You don't think Kate has been on the receiving end of death threats and vilification?

Coxspurplepippin · 17/12/2022 00:09

In fact the threats appear to have increased since Harry and Meghan's Netflix doc.

antelopevalley · 17/12/2022 00:24

Blossomtoes · 17/12/2022 00:05

It is a slur to call someone talking about how they are being badly treated by their family as simply paranoid.

Paranoia is a classic symptom of mental illness. Diana’s mental illness is well documented by sources outside the royal family. Wasn’t it you who just defended washing dirty linen in public?

She did not have a mental illness of paranoia. She had an eating disorder.

Blossomtoes · 17/12/2022 00:40

antelopevalley · 17/12/2022 00:24

She did not have a mental illness of paranoia. She had an eating disorder.

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Paranoia isn’t a mental illness, it’s a symptom of it. I think we should probably take her son’s word for it that Diana was paranoid, after all he saw her behaviour at first hand. Most people don’t see mental illness as a slur, it’s a shame you do.

vera99 · 17/12/2022 04:05

Bread and circuses - a curse on all their ennobled privileged lifestyles being thrust down our throats whilst the country goes to the dogs.

.. Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.[7]
—Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81

Morestrangethings · 17/12/2022 06:06

SummaLuvin · 16/12/2022 10:51

She is beige in human form. She is (or has been directed to) be so afraid of expressing an opinion that she doesn't even loudly and passionately champion her charities. RF wanted a beautiful woman who would be utterly inoffensive, and thats what she is. Nothing wrong with that, but I also don't see a lot to be admired and fawned over either.

Kates obviously an intelligent woman, from what I’ve read on here she’s highly educated. I suspect the Royal Family has directed her to not have a public opinion on anything but the safest subjects. Kate is praised for ‘keeping calm to carry on, and smile as you are doing it.’ It’s a very old fashioned representation of women which is being held up for other women to admire and emulate. A representation that other women (women on here also) hold up as an ideal. The articles re Kate are about her clothing, her gracious demeanour, her care for children - certainly not bad things, but it’s not enough. I don’t think that’s a solid role model for any young girl. In fact, I think it’s possibly quite damaging for young girls. I am not criticising Kate, I am criticising how the RF constrain their women members. It seems like they are meant to be a QE2 without QE2’s power, which is also pretty unfair imo.

As a child of the 60s, that was exactly what I was supposed to aspire to. A good education, a pretty smile for everyone, no uncomfortable opinions, no drama, good and devoted wife and mum. If I stepped out of that constrained role and showed a bolshie emotion, or a strong opinion, I was accused of being crazy, unbalanced, childish, selfish.

I hope that away from the public gaze she’s noisy when she wants, takes up space, has strong opinions and is unafraid to voice them.

LBFseBrom · 17/12/2022 06:55

vera99 ·
Today 04:05
Bread and circuses - a curse on all their ennobled privileged lifestyles being thrust down our throats whilst the country goes to the dogs.
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Nobody has thrust anything down 'our' throats and the country is certainly not going to the dogs. It is a fact of life that there are people better off than others but if they are not ostentatious they are in a position to do a lot of good for others. It's a huge responsibility that not many of us would want or be able to cope with. I am content with my life as it is and do not resent anyone for having more money and privileges, that would be pointless.

The Prince and Princess of Wales and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are two couples who can do an awful lot of good if they want to and it appears they do want to. Why don't we just let them get on with it and concentrate on what we can do with our lives.

LBFseBrom · 17/12/2022 07:01

I didn't know Kate had a particular response to the documentary or if she has even watched it. What is she supposed to say? It hardly affects her.

The documentary was very good. Now they can all get on with their lives.

Morestrangethings · 17/12/2022 07:14

“William went native Harry went rogue and the Establishment wagons encircled to defend the Crown.”

LOL @vera99 . I rarely @ people. But I wish I wrote that. I’m going to use it, (but won’t pretend it’s mine).

ajandjjmum · 17/12/2022 07:21

As a child of the 60s, that was exactly what I was supposed to aspire to. A good education, a pretty smile for everyone, no uncomfortable opinions, no drama, good and devoted wife and mum. If I stepped out of that constrained role and showed a bolshie emotion, or a strong opinion, I was accused of being crazy, unbalanced, childish, selfish.

As I child of the 60's, I was told very clearly by my father that I could do anything in the world that I wanted to. Upbringing counts massively, and I am happy that my parents gave me a clear sense of self worth from when I was a small girl, and a belief in my own ability. I was extremely lucky.

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KateBain · 17/12/2022 07:23

NonagonInfinityOpensTheDoor · 16/12/2022 13:58

Remember when the photos of her sunbathing without her bikini top were published. Kate and William were on a foreign tour and she turned up next day smiling, her face betraying not a trace of any negative emotions
Imagine thinking being a robot and shunning all emotions is healthy. I hope you never had kids, particularly girls, if you think grin and bear it should be the default 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

You hope I never have kids? That really is a nasty thing to say - for all you know I could be struggling with infertility.

Fortunately, I have a wonderful daughter who's now an adult and would never dream of saying such a thing. Seems like I raised her just right.

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Serenster · 17/12/2022 07:52

If she had even just gone for a walk with Meghan linking arms and smiling it would have helped.

Like this, you mean?

Remember that for much of the time Meghan was in the Royal Family Kate had her own life going on - a newborn, her brother had mental health issues, then the fallout between the brothers and the splitting up of their foundations.

Also, if even one of the stories reported around the two of them are even slightly true (eg.Meghan leaked snarky stories about Kate to the Toronto gossip sites, Meghan secretly took photographs of Harry’s niece and nephews, Meghan rejected Kate’s peace offering after whatever occurred at the bridesmaid dress fitting, Meghan shouted at Kate’s staff member) why on earth should Kate feel compelled to support someone publicly who was behaving badly to her privately. And yet she still did so.

Kate's Official Response to the Netflix Documentary

MintyFreshOne · 17/12/2022 07:59

ajandjjmum · 17/12/2022 07:21

As a child of the 60s, that was exactly what I was supposed to aspire to. A good education, a pretty smile for everyone, no uncomfortable opinions, no drama, good and devoted wife and mum. If I stepped out of that constrained role and showed a bolshie emotion, or a strong opinion, I was accused of being crazy, unbalanced, childish, selfish.

As I child of the 60's, I was told very clearly by my father that I could do anything in the world that I wanted to. Upbringing counts massively, and I am happy that my parents gave me a clear sense of self worth from when I was a small girl, and a belief in my own ability. I was extremely lucky.

Upbringing matters.

KM probably was influenced to be more traditional by her mother. But I’m surprised to hear 60s Britain was this traditional?

Unifolorn · 17/12/2022 08:02

Why did meghan live her dad for so many years growing up? Seems she didn't see her mum (yes I'm nosy and I'm sure she hasn't said as it doesn't fit her narrative).

loislovesstewie · 17/12/2022 08:14

I was a child in the 60s and there was a wide spectrum of what parents thought girls could do. My dad encouraged me in education, others didn't . Some parents told their children that they had to leave school and earn money as soon as they could. It wasn't unusual to leave school on the Friday and start work on the Monday. Some parents helped their kids get apprenticeships so that they could have a trade; engineer/carpenter/plumber etc. I had one friend who was apprenticed and became a bookbinder, dealing with very old books. Some were happy to support their kids through A-levels to university. It often applied to boys and girls and had a lot to do with family finances and whether parents were prepared to sacrifice for their kids.

ZenNudist · 17/12/2022 08:19

PennyJosephineMercury · 16/12/2022 09:39

She fulfils her role very well but that aside comes across as a decent happy human being.

Agree but she is very thin which doesn't look healthy. She's ruining her looks with excessive dieting. I'm not sure it's 100% happy life but she is royal so won't ever do a tell all.

Morestrangethings · 17/12/2022 08:27

JemimaTiggywinkles · 16/12/2022 18:05

publicly saying your dead mother was paranoid is a major slur.

Bashir’s forgeries may well have contributed to Diana’s poor mental health and the further breakdown in D&C’s attempts at coparenting. William did nothing wrong by pointing that out, given he and Harry are probably the two people most affected by it. He was 13 when the documentary occurred, so certainly old enough to remember how his mother’s mental health was.

As someone who has suffered poor mental health in the past, I find your characterisation of a mental health condition as a “slur” really quite offensive. You wouldn’t claim that stating someone has cancer is a slur. So what is so offensive about having a mental health condition?

I’ve had mental health struggles too. I’d be devastated if my son announced publicly that I was paranoid.

It is a symptom of some mental illnesses. So, It’s nothing to be ashamed of. It’s just that much of the world don’t see it that way. A common way of dismissing a woman is to call her crazy, mad, paranoid. My son would know that. I’m surprised William hasn’t realised that people would take what he said and use it to dismiss Diana. I’ve seen it used that way on here. ‘But everyone knows she was paranoid,’ as in crazy, madwoman.

I don’t think antelopevalley mental illness was a slur.

Karwomannghia · 17/12/2022 08:57

She looks lovely as always. I would be interested to know what she really thought! I think keep smiling and don’t speak is in many ways the quickest way to ride the storm but it’s also undoubtably the most restrictive and not healthy for anyone IMO to be that repressed / oppressed. I was also thinking that as well as wanting our royals to be good looking and silent, we ask don’t want them to be too good at anything. Far too showy offy. It is odd what we expect! Or would it be different if the press were more positive and sensible?