Harry and Megan: changed my mind after episode 5

[Lotzana]

I was never a massive H&M hater but I wasn't keen on how they kept going on about their experiences and being constant victims. Why not just let it go?

However after episode 5 where they explain the events around their decision to leave, I find myself feeling really bad for them and surprised at how different it was to the narrative we were fed in the press.

If it's all true what they say then it's appalling how they were treated and Im not surprised they want to set record straight.

I know many will say it's not all true and they're lying/ exaggerating but I'm not inclined to believe these royal secretaries/ William / Charles are all saints while H&M are the big villains either.

We only see a very polished version of the royals in public and everything is well controlled and orchestrated. Who's to know what it's really like behind the facade?

Yabu - can't stand H&M regardless of what they claim in the documentary

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press

there’s a royal family section

I can’t be bothered with the drama of it all to be honest. I’m sure the situation is not exactly as they say, or exactly as the press/Royal family say. I imagine the truth is somewhere in the middle.

That was exactly how it was intended to work on viewers. It's no more objective truth than any other version.

I’m just finishing episode 5 and feel similarly although I wish they’d move on with their lives now & stop looking back.

She has been treated terribly. I just hope the pair of them get past the anger.

My feeling...

Fairly well known name in Hollywood wakes up to the realisation that she would never be No 1 and would have to defer to her Bil/Sil... did a massive flounce and has sought reasons to justify it...

End of.

There's 3 sides to every story.
In this case H&M, the Royal family and the truth.

That doesn't mean anyone is purposely lying, but everyone sees the situation from their own side, which will be biased.

YABU. We know the whole series is one big lie because people have proven it time and time and time again.

I felt more sympathy for them after watching the documentary because of the way the press behaved and the blatant racism.
I'm still not sure what to believe about some things.

This.

I keep reading this but haven't actually read any proof that any of it is a lie

This

The point surely is the RF have said nothing.

You don’t need to go far. Just look it up. The queen’s speech was edited, photos are from the Harry Potter premiere and other random places, several people they’ve made claims about have come out and said it’s bullshit etc etc.

The Behavior Panel on YouTube offer some interesting insight.

Where? I've seen nothing proving this

We saw those hateful tabloid headlines. We saw the negative interpretation of touching belly bump, eating avocado. We saw the Crenshaw headlines. They were Daily Mail headlines for God’s sake. They were not imagined. Keep believing that they did not happen.

No one is this dim, surely.

This.

I think they need to move on to their next project.

They need to stop attacking their family.

It may be "their" truth but I suspect there was fault on both sides.

I haven't watched it but I thought the mention of how small Nottingham Cottage is and how Oprah "couldn't believe" that that was their so-called Palace home was very telling. That's where William and Kate were initially stashed; it's not some sort of slight against them.

I think that the most compelling thing in this series is the blatant bias of the newspapers. Without doubt they have steered the whole thing. I don't know who said or did what with any certainty, with regards to M and H and the RF, but I do know that, as a nation, we should be ashamed of the shameless lies and sensationalism fed to us by the gutter press. Just appalling.

The show's editors used a stock photo of "paparazzi" - and one journalist had a different recollection of events (which wasn't really anything to do with H&M's core claims) - hardly proving it's "all lies", is it?

I'm not invested in protecting H&M but I AM invested in people claiming confidently it's all lies when those claims have absolutely no more proof or basis than theirs.

There was a DREADFUL article in one of the rags about "6 times things in the documentary were untrue" and they were ALL just bollocks.

If you don't like them, own it, but don't claim things are lies on the flimsiest of "evidence".

@Newgate
We saw those hateful tabloid headlines. We saw the negative interpretation of touching belly bump, eating avocado. We saw the Crenshaw headlines. They were Daily Mail headlines for God’s sake. They were not imagined. Keep believing that they did not happen.

Exactly. This is the main issue, surely. How can we sink statues and take the knee, but not see these headlines for what they are?

I’ve really enjoyed it and I’m really happy for them. I’m sorry that some people are so hateful.

the Royal family is a business and that business is survival. Weird how people will go to such extremes to defend an institution that is always going to be just fine.

I've always believed Harry and Meghan.
They are entitled to their say as we all are.

Yep. One of the things there IS proof of is Harry being hounded by the media his whole life, of his trauma, of the difference on the way the media treated Kate and Meghan on the same time period (Kate certainly got her own taste of how grim tabloid media can be early on too).

But just because Kate / Charles / Camilla got rinsed by the media does NOT make it ok and does NOT make their decision to want to move away from it any less valid.

If your parent suffered abuse, would you except them to tell you to suck any abuse up because they had to? No, you'd want them to realise how shit it was and to get you out of the abusive situation.

That's what it seems Harry had effectively attempted to do for his kids - whether he's gone about it the right way or not is debatable, but he's a traumatized, frightened young man trying to deal with his wife's poor MH on top of everything else.