Harry and Megan: changed my mind after episode 5

[Lotzana]

I was never a massive H&M hater but I wasn't keen on how they kept going on about their experiences and being constant victims. Why not just let it go?

However after episode 5 where they explain the events around their decision to leave, I find myself feeling really bad for them and surprised at how different it was to the narrative we were fed in the press.

If it's all true what they say then it's appalling how they were treated and Im not surprised they want to set record straight.

I know many will say it's not all true and they're lying/ exaggerating but I'm not inclined to believe these royal secretaries/ William / Charles are all saints while H&M are the big villains either.

We only see a very polished version of the royals in public and everything is well controlled and orchestrated. Who's to know what it's really like behind the facade?

Yabu - can't stand H&M regardless of what they claim in the documentary

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press

William and Catherine were together for many years before they got engaged. She was taunted by the press, called Waity Kaity and there was a split for a while too.

In the 1970s Indian people were called names, just because something has happened in the past doesn’t mean it should continue to happen, like a right of passage. if it’s wrong why not call out that behaviour and get it to stop.

but the RF relies on the media for popularity ratings… so they don’t want to upset the media

They want their cake and eat it too. In other words, to have all the privileges and wealth that H’s status has endowed him with and to be able to live a”normal, private life”.
Why doesn’t M get herself some acting jobs or something connected with the stage and H can get training for useful employment. They seem to prefer to sell their autobiographical data over and over and surely without a further crisis they must have got to the end of that.
I’m disappointed because I did hope M would make a go of it and change views re race etc.

@Anonymouseposter thats how I feel now

But they can leave the country and do what they want.

They have left the country.

They can do what they want but it seems all they want to do is attack their family.

How could he not explain to her about curtsying

That's weird because I watched the Oprah interview and she very definitely said Eugenie and others were teaching her how to curtsey before she went in.

Sorry folks but it’s just a lot of pish!

I'm not sure Harry really understands the concept of work. I don't mean that in any sort of nasty way, but he's never had to earn money. Talking about his father guarding the family
Money shows how detached from reality he is

I think there is far more truth to what they say than we would believe. You only have to look into Royal history to see how things were covered up. Harry is deeply scarred by what happened to his mother and has a deep distrust of the media and who can blame him

I think there's a vast cultural difference between the US and the UK which has an impact, and that we think the American mindset and viewpoint is the same as ours. It's evident that she and her friends are far more into say, talking about their feelings and how they love one another, than the average brit, let alone the RF.

Harry seems like he's trying to do the right thing and I hope it works out for the pair of them, he's the one who's got the most to lose, but then living where they are now seems far more fun than being in the RF and what comes across is he really wanted a taste of (relatively) normal life- perhaps partly because he was in the army a long time and had privacy and some normality there.

I think that since Harry was born into this chaos with the media, he does deserve security paid for now, even if that's just because his childhood was public property.

MM’s half family have said that they are making their film, coming out in the New Year, telling their side of the story. It will be interesting to listen and compare whether they both say they same thing.

A big Hollywood name? I'm sure most of us had never heard of MM before she was with Harry.

I've changed my mind very slightly too. I am not on their side and I wish they would just quietly get on with their lives and stop moaning, but I can see now that, from her point of view certainly, she wasn't happy in the Royal family and it is better that they left. I also think they are more in love than I previously supposed. I felt quite envious of their lovely life together. But isn't that all the more reason to look forwards and stop all this navel gazing?

The bit I haven't changed my mind about: Harry is one seriously misguided individual.

I was genuinely shocked at the bit where Harry spoke about the palace putting out a statement on behalf of both brothers essentially stating William hadn't bullied Harry out of the family and that the two of them were in full agreement. I remember thinking at the time how odd it was as it seemed to the common observer they'd never been more distant from one another.

It really does show how much manipulation there has been from the palace to whitewash the image of the future King. This wasn't even a "well placed source", it was an actual statement that Harry never signed off on despite them saying he did. Astonishing.

I feel the same any time I watch anything about them tbh

In your example the hitting isn't the "story". Obviously that either happened or didn't.
The story is the reason the hitting happened.

But, tbf, in abuse situations the truth is irrelevant. Abuse is always wrong.

Not even then in the UK at least. It was only after MM did the VF cover and he put out the first statement. There were no pictures of her in UK media prior to that.

The letter thing was clearly risky! Would have been better to have been hand delivered.

I think Kate was pure jealous of her, didn’t like her own position as the glam one being shared and wasn’t very friendly or supportive. A light has been shone on her and Williams characters and temperaments not to mention Charles and they are coming out
of this sorry mess looking f as f

I think that since Harry was born into this chaos with the media, he does deserve security paid for now, even if that's just because his childhood was public property

I could not disagree more strongly.

Bullshit.

Yes, she was no more than a jobbing actor who'd had a regular part in a moderately successful series. I think she had some idea that she could somehow transform the royal family, and that was never going to work.

Well done OP for actually watching the programme before posting your opinion on MN. Refreshing that someone has actually watched what they are talking about.

I've always liked Meghan
I'm only ep 4 but as someone who ignores media, a lot of it is news to me.

At the time of their engagement, I thought she was giving up an awful lot. But maybe she's rescued Harry from a situation that didn't suit him. Maybe she's his knight in shining armour.

I am a woman of colour, but never had to think about it much till recently. This has given me a different perspective again.

I thought she was a great addition to the royal family and sad that didn't work out, but I wish them all the best. Our loss - I have thought that since they left.

They theorise about Harry's possible arrested development as a child when Diana died, and his need to replace her and relive and re-enact her life through his marriage to Meghan. All a bit oedipal, basically.

Meghan is a very attractive woman who agreed to play the role. They love each other but the marriage is based on unfulfilled needs, including a craving for attention.

Along those lines anyway.