Harry and Megan: changed my mind after episode 5

[Lotzana]

I was never a massive H&M hater but I wasn't keen on how they kept going on about their experiences and being constant victims. Why not just let it go?

However after episode 5 where they explain the events around their decision to leave, I find myself feeling really bad for them and surprised at how different it was to the narrative we were fed in the press.

If it's all true what they say then it's appalling how they were treated and Im not surprised they want to set record straight.

I know many will say it's not all true and they're lying/ exaggerating but I'm not inclined to believe these royal secretaries/ William / Charles are all saints while H&M are the big villains either.

We only see a very polished version of the royals in public and everything is well controlled and orchestrated. Who's to know what it's really like behind the facade?

Yabu - can't stand H&M regardless of what they claim in the documentary

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press

Earrings "I think one of my most 🤮 moments was Meghan's line 'H & I can always find each other in the chaos' What?!"

I think most people who know me would call me horribly unromantic. But I found that line very relatable.

It is a documentary, and they clearly stated from the beginning that they wanted to set a distorted record straight.

You cant have missed that?

Did you not read my post?

It's a documentary - with no other perspective posed, to allow them to address other POV. That's not usual.

That's also not a documentary (clue being in the name).

It's a softly shot PR film for them. No attempt to provide credible evidence, or get them to address other points of view.

No respectable channel would stand over that.

Can't bloody stand them, they want to get some real problems.

I have no idea why anyone cares about any of them.

But, for someone who claims to want to get away from the media, Harry has spent a remarkable amount of time inviting said media into his life. Clearly he doesn’t want to be way from the media at all.

Haha Emma that's funny. I am quite romantic. I can get on board with the sentiment. But the actual words, delivery & doe-eyed appearance .. nope.

Lost interest think they all have there own version of the truth

but what’s done it for me is they left for a private life and are literally busting a gut to get in the press

It was the press who pitched Harry and Meghan as the new golden couple. They were the ones who were saying they were more popular than William and Kate. They even put a picture of Meghan on the front pages after the Festival of Remembrance, instead of the Queen. That’s what upset the Palace. They couldn’t have William and Kate knocked down the pecking order, hence why, I believe, William’s camp started leaking stories about Harry and Meghan. It’s so petty when you think about it. There’s room in the world for them all.

I really didn’t get the impression they were moaning about the size of Nottingham Cottage. They were merely stating that people thought they lived in a grand palace but they lived in a much smaller house in the grounds. They mentioned the low ceilings and the slant because of his character.

IMO if you hate them, and don’t watch the documentary with an open mind, you will see things that weren’t there. The press treated them terribly. I don’t understand why they couldn’t just leave them alone to map out their new path. They’d already sorted out a new life in South Africa, that had to be pulled because the press got wind. Why couldn’t they have done that in
Canada? It doesn’t make any sense.

Well I don’t, so in many ways shit advice is up my street, but even so I’d rather it was better than this.

The main problem is that to be a courtier you don’t have to have any special talent other than poshness and loyalty to the RF. They really need to pull palace officials from diverse professions and backgrounds.

Agree. I've watched all 6 and I am with you on this.

Interestingly one of my DCs... who isnt the slightest bit interested in the RF or H&M and we've never talked about them... she has watched nearly all of it.

She totally is sympathetic to them now. She liked Meghan, she thought they both came across excellently, her worst characteristic was being annoying American, and she was surprised she was very un Hollywood un celebrity before meeting Harry, she came across lovely and normal and they both deserved to tell their story.
She is thirties.

I just wish they hadn't done the OW interview and had just done this. I think it would have carried even more weight then.

She wants to get some real problems. She has played Harry for the fool he is. One very calculated manipulative woman

I think it was probably her advisors who came up with the wording and she approved them.

Yes yes yes to this. The RF is set from 70 years ago and the Queen's reign. It is archaic, not fit for purpose and Charles has his work cut out modernising it. If he ever will.

This.

In a nutshell.

Yep ☝️

Death threats and continual harrassment by the media is not a real problem of course

People who read and/or believe tabloid stories will never be able to admit how full of nonsense and lies they are, because to admit that, means they have to admit how dumb and easily led they are. It's easier to become outraged at everything the tabloids are telling them to be outraged at.

It’s not a documentary. It’s a puff piece - it is what it is, but documentary implies at least a degree of balance.

Were they re-enactments?

I'll rephrase it, they COULD be away from it now (to some extent) if they chose to be, with a $100 million pay cheque (minus tax) in the bank and more $$$$ for his memoir.

Most people could live well on that!

I think they've been thoroughly exploited for this documentary and wouldn't be surprised if in the years to come they express how they were taken advantage of and how their words were twisted and interviews were edited to show a certain narrative by netflix.

Similar to how the Diana documentary is now being shown to have been manipulated, H and M will say the same about this in the years to come.

I thought Meghan would be bright enough to get the final sign off surely?

@Roussette I just wish they hadn't done the OW interview and had just done this. I think it would have carried even more weight then.

I agree with this. They should have said ‘Hell no’ to OW - and waited to put their side out in a longer more considered piece later on.

They’re talking a lot about how Much they want to support the commonwealth in episode 5. Didn’t they totally trash the commonwealth in an earlier episode.

i do understand it wouls be upsetting to have u fair newspaper articles. But what I find it interesting is that they didn’t decide to just not care.

The main problem is that to be a courtier you don’t have to have any special talent other than poshness and loyalty to the RF. They really need to pull palace officials from diverse professions and backgrounds.

I completely agree, @Mirabai

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press