Harry and Megan: changed my mind after episode 5

[Lotzana]

I was never a massive H&M hater but I wasn't keen on how they kept going on about their experiences and being constant victims. Why not just let it go?

However after episode 5 where they explain the events around their decision to leave, I find myself feeling really bad for them and surprised at how different it was to the narrative we were fed in the press.

If it's all true what they say then it's appalling how they were treated and Im not surprised they want to set record straight.

I know many will say it's not all true and they're lying/ exaggerating but I'm not inclined to believe these royal secretaries/ William / Charles are all saints while H&M are the big villains either.

We only see a very polished version of the royals in public and everything is well controlled and orchestrated. Who's to know what it's really like behind the facade?

Yabu - can't stand H&M regardless of what they claim in the documentary

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press

@Merryoldgoat not top dog maybe but maybe expected more glamorous life, and some of whats been said has been disputed
I don't think everything they say is a lie anymore than everything they say is the truth

@Lancrelady80 yes this very true

I think Harry's very unwell.

I felt a bit like this too. I thought they’d made a lot of fuss but watching I really felt for them.

I quite like them though - I don’t think they always make great decisions but I do think they mean well.

I feel bad for William as well though. I think it’s hard for him to know that his own brother will talk to the media about him.

In short: glad I’m not involved in the circus.

Me too and he is being exploited by the media and his wife

I do agree that it's appalling that they're airing their dirty laundry in public because it's not as though Harry's mother and father ever did that. Oh. I guess if it's okay for a King then it should also be okay for the King's son.

Very true.

I think parts of it are true, there's no mistaking that M was treated appallingly by the press, both in the uk and elsewhere.

I also think both of them are using the Netflix documentary to manipulate people. They will be using the series to drum up as much sympathy as possible, that's what they want from the series, Netflix wants something else, which are the parts insinuating that the RF have behaved badly. It's not a balanced view.

If I made a film about my life (dull as it might be) I'd only put the good bits in, I'd not mention any lies I'd told or when I'd behaved badly, I'd put the sympathetic music in the background whilst I walked on a beach holding hand with my dh, looking madly in love. When in reality I'd be bollocking him for secretly starting to smoke again, whinging about the kids and work or bitching about work colleagues. Oh and probably having a row with my brother too.

I think they need to move on with their own lives now, any further attempts to sell their stories around this subject will simply come across as money orientated.

I agree with you. I'm currently watching episode 5 and feel aghast at what they experienced. I never hated them. I always felt there is complex trauma as well as racism and so many other factors at play in how they experienced things, were treated and the press coverage. The leaking by the Palace and so many other things makes you shake your head. Another thing that stood out was the press around the lack of hospital steps pictures of Archie. They offered and the palace said no, yet the press made it seem they refused.

I'm not surprised they left. I wish them every happiness - just as I wish Will and Kate happiness too.

I really like their analysis. Fascinating on all the people they’ve examined. Will be checking this out later as I’ve not seen it.

I don’t believe them because they’ve proven to be liars so many times. The Archbishop of Canterbury even had to correct one of her wild claims. She said someone from the lion king premiere told her she was like Mandela getting freed from prison. Every person it could have been said they never said that. The list is long of her lies. She is on video admitting she is a fraud, her words. She brags about lying and crying out of one eye on cue.

I was inclined to side with her at beginning because my own in-laws were not welcoming but it became very clear that she is manipulative.

I don’t know what lies the gutter press have made, because I choose not to read them. Everyone’s complaining about what’s been written - but SOMEONE must have bought those papers!

I like them but they made a big thing about how they didn't have any help with Archie to start with (although Meghan's mum stayed for a month and she sounds amazing) but then they went and hired a nanny. OK, so the nanny is black and baby wears but they still did have help- they didn't do it all alone. Not judging, I would take the help if I could and had the funds! But perhaps it wasn't worth trying to make a point about. The press and perhaps the RF showed no compassion, but their physical lives in terms of being housed and looked after are not to complain about

I’ve not changed my mind about her as such - I still think she had the wrong idea about royalty and thought it would be like some Disney movie of glamourous balls etc (complaining about nott cott for example - “people can’t believe we live like this” - shock that being a prince doesn’t mean living in a palace!), I do think all her “truths” have to be taken with a pinch of salt as far too many have been proven to be completely exaggerated (fire in Archie’s room = the smell of smoke from a heater so unplugged), a bit of a drama lover, a hypocritical woke (environmentalist but also fly private constantly) and there is an awful lot of very privileged whining.
plus they left the royal family almost 3years ago now and all they’ve done since is programmes/podcast/books complaining about their time - it’s time to move on!

HOWEVER, the series has made me have a bit more sympathy for them, and think it probably was hard and they were right to move away and she definitely does not deserve the level of hatred that she gets. Also the do look very much in love and like a lovely couple. But - time to move forward guys. Stop living in the past and complaining, especially with war and recession going on.

Well known in Hollywood? She was on a modestly successful cable TV show. Her people couldn't even get designers to dress her for appearances as not that many people really knew who she was so designers didnt think she was worth giving clothing to.

Yes, I watched that this afternoon. Very insightful I thought.

William and Catherine were together for many years before they got engaged. She was taunted by the press, called Waity Kaity and there was a split for a while too. She had a long time to learn what was expected and knew how she would have to conduct herself.

Harry and Meghan had a much shorter time together before their engagement and I think she was ill prepared for life s a royal. They wanted children, so time wasn’t on their side. Chelsey Davy decided she couldn’t face life as a royal.

Is the royal family racist? If H&M are to be believed, yes. Who knows whether it’s institutional racism or unconscious racism, or their perception.

If they have a wonderful life in America, the best choice would be to continue bringing up their children there. But America doesn’t have an unblemished record on racism either.

They need to have some dignity, move on and enjoy life. I can’t get over how they are complaining about every little conversation or remark that upset them, the importance of any of it is just lost as it comes across as a family bickering and we’ve all experienced that.

Harry showing Meghan a text from his brother and her shock response (even though we don’t even see what’s on the phone) just reminds me of every low rent reality TV documentary with Katie Price or someone from TOWIE. They have completely devalued their brand and are now on the same cultural level as the Kardashians and all their fakery.

The whole thing feels cheap and fake. They could have done so many good things but bitterness and money have driven them to make this “he said, she said” nonsense.

Meanwhile, nurses are striking, migrants drown in the Channel and real problems continue to affect millions of us.

I feel the same.

I also think he’s unwell.

for the poster whi said she doubted Meghan thought she was coming over to be a superstar etc, harry himself says it in the interview, how she was going to be the new Diana , she was going to throw out the stuffy traditions and revitalise it. How she did the job better than the royals. That’s the shit he was feeding her, whether she believed it I can’t say

but I agree harry is not well, he’s clearly a very unhappy man , he’s lost so so much, his family, his friends, he had one school friend on there, everyone else was meghans side.

and the guy who gave them the house and security, he is close to Oprah, he kicked off her career, so that’s clearly how that happened. Just they couldn’t say oh oprah sorted it as we had agreed at rhe wedding to do the interview

You don't need to watch Netfix.

Even the most uninformed person should only need to take a quick look at the rather hysterical and overblown response to the programme in the Daily Fail to be able to work out that they probably have a justified complaint about tabloid behaviour.

Except Meghan & H have evidence/proof of how awfully they were treated.
Plus, the DM published the results of the case against the DM- and Meghan won.
i believe Meghan & H.

Harry showing Meghan a text from his brother and her shock response (even though we don’t even see what’s on the phone)

Yes this! It's equivalent to a post on Facebook saying 'OMG I've just had a text off X, devastated' and not expanding on the details except with 'message me'

It's all very playground drama

I've not watched it all yet but I think, and have always thought, that Harry did Meghan a massive disservice.

How could he not explain to her about curtsying? How did she not know what a walkabout was? How did she not realise people would line the streets at their wedding? How did he not tell her the words to the National Anthem? It just seems that he just 'forgot' to actually tell her some of the things that would happen.

They've not been out publicising the series or made any comment. I hope they're at home enjoying life with their family and looking forward to Christmas and that with the airing of the documentary they've put it all behind them and will move on to do other things. Time will tell. I hope so but if I'm honest I'm not holding out much hope. I would love to be wrong.