Harry and Megan: changed my mind after episode 5

[Lotzana]

I was never a massive H&M hater but I wasn't keen on how they kept going on about their experiences and being constant victims. Why not just let it go?

However after episode 5 where they explain the events around their decision to leave, I find myself feeling really bad for them and surprised at how different it was to the narrative we were fed in the press.

If it's all true what they say then it's appalling how they were treated and Im not surprised they want to set record straight.

I know many will say it's not all true and they're lying/ exaggerating but I'm not inclined to believe these royal secretaries/ William / Charles are all saints while H&M are the big villains either.

We only see a very polished version of the royals in public and everything is well controlled and orchestrated. Who's to know what it's really like behind the facade?

Yabu - can't stand H&M regardless of what they claim in the documentary

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press

But you’re missing the other side op, the people who tried to protect them, the people the public rhe media and their family members who tried to protect them.

plus much of it was not true, when they were in Canada it was only their met security being pulled and Canadian forces were in there protecting them, when that was stopped, Charles was paying and even stated he was providing private security . And happy to keep doing so until they kicked off and said no as they wanted met officers in Canada.

it was designed to make you feel sad. Even the music was deliberate to make you feel certain emotions, like a movie . It was not a well balanced view of what occurred. It was a view designed to illicit the public to be on their side, to not accept any wrong doing. To exaggerate and focus on the negative

pleade remember they were filming from the start. This was always planned, it was why Oprah was at the wedding. And they analysed 1400 tweets, do you know how many tweets there were. 100s of 1000s. And many of them supportive

every single one of us can present our lifes in different lights, we can narrate only the bad, or only the good, or something in between, this was a cleverly done one sided, inaccurate documentary designed to illicit popularity, so they can get back to the business of making money

I'm still reeling over the pregnancy shots!

Think you'll find those who deny the headlines are problematic probably hate both of the other things you mentioned...

*but he's a traumatized, frightened young man trying to deal with his wife's poor MH on top of everything else8

I guess it depends on your own age, but not many people would describe someone approaching 40 as a young man. He’s closer to middle aged

It's really NOT a "massive flounce" from Meghan's perspective, though. Believe me, as someone who grew up outside of the UK/Commonwealth bubble, even with two British parents, it's still really strange to think that Harry and family couldn't just bugger off and live abroad and do something else if they wanted as long as it didn't attract too much controversy. Especially with all the "streamlining the monarchy" talk and William having his own children.

Harry was sixth in line when they left! It's not like he ran off to join Daesh or head the EU Parliament. It should not have been a big deal. And I remember routinely seeing "Harry & Meghan Want to Leave the UK" headlines in the tabs before they were even married.

If it IS/WAS a big deal/"massive flounce", Harry is much more guilty then Meghan, because he's the one who would've grown up with and appreciated the complexity of the situation, not her.

Why would she think she would be number one? I don't understand it when people say this. She was never marrying the future king.

This.

I don't think either side are as saintly or as evil as they have been made out to be.

Their documentary won't be balanced or unbiased, any more than the negative stories are.

Have always believed she encountered racism and that adapting to royal life in the UK would be a huge adjustment for anyone - I wouldn't want that life and don't know many who would.

Equally, I think Harry has displayed mind-boggling levels of entitlement throughout.

The Not Cot thing is twofold btw, one to show how humble their life was and two because they know enough people will interpret it as a slight against them. They don't need to make it one, PR will take care of that for them.

Fully support them making their own lives away from it, just not prepared to pay for either it or their security.

I think it’s important to hear people who clearly want to be heard, as Meghan and Harry do.

People who blindly boycott them or say they won’t listen to anything they say because they don’t like them are being wilfully ignorant and unfair.

@Tigofigo Absolutely. I don't blame them in the slightest for leaving the country. Why on earth should Harry watch his wife suffer? It must have spoken volumes to him about the callousness of the tabloids and the fickleness of not just the editors et al, but the general public who read and believe that tat.

@Newgate we also saw awful headlines about Kate before and Camilla its unfortunately not unusual

@healthadvice123 then we shd rethink what people are expected to take in the name of an institution

Which ‘people’? Do you mean the Daily Heil, Daily Dumbspress, and Piers Morgan?

Couldn't of said it better myself. Utterly shameful the way people can't see what the media do, all about misinformation, click bate articles and causing division and anger.

I thought people woke up to it the most from the sheer amount of fear mongering the press did, then with the panic buying...but nope guess many people still think the media only ever report the truth.

And I wont even go there with social media like twitter, what more proof do you need then an independent company saying there was a coordinated group of people deliberately trolling and spreading lies.

Disgusting, utterly disgusting.

I am just going to say this before vowing never to comment on this ridiculous debacle again ..

Take your money H&M and enjoy a very privileged life.. without obligation.. as opposed to your hugely privileged life WITH obligations..:

And then for the sake of the entire fucking planet .. SHUT UP and enjoy your privacy !!

This.

I enjoyed the documentary and can take it as it was intended.

Them telling their side of the story.

They seem happy and very much in love and they way the press treated them is appalling. I'm glad they have stepped away.

And I love the fact Harry points out how Diana was treated the same. We all know she also wasn't all innocence but she was also played.

The most telling moment for me in all 6 episodes is when someone said how the British media do feel they own public bodies paid by taxpayers.

My feelings are somewhat in the middle.
I do think Meghan thought she would be a princess and that meant people do as she asks when she asks. She could wear and buy whatever she wanted. Fly all over the world as she pleased. I don't think she realized how controlled she'd be.

I also think the palace were scared the public would favour her over William & Catherine. I believe they were scared the commonwealth would prefer Meghan as their princess. She would be more open and free not as rigid. This simply couldn't happen as she'd never be queen.

Then there's another side they became totally pointless would no doubt be given the less important jobs as they'd never be on the throne and Harry never chose this life he was born into it. Then when they decided to leave they probably would have went quietly not said a word if Charles continued to pay for them to live far away in luxury but he didn't. They had to make money in some form Prince Harry could hardly get a job in Target.

Just my thoughts.

Absolutely this. No idea why he thinks it’s appropriate to talk about his family that way to the media. You can dress it up as a documentary all you like, but he’s aires his dirty laundry in the media public, it’s just a different form of media.

@Newgate yes we should and in general with media , we want news not gossip and intrusions in to peoples lifes, but this is all very much me me me from Harry and he goes on about MH etc, does he think this is easy for his family as well?
Hes put them right back out there now and in general it doesn't seem like the documentary is doing them that many favours

I've now seen every episode of the documentary and I understand very well why Meghan and Harry left the UK and not surprised at the things they highlighted. However it wasn't ruthless or nasty in any way, just two people giving their side of things.

They are a useful couple and can do a lot of good - they already have individually and can be a powerhouse as a couple.

I wish them and their children well, feel sad that we in the UK have lost them. I've always taken what the press say about any high profile figure with pinch of salt and will continue to do so.

There is a huge debate going on on Twitter about the racism. Some no mark mysogynistic Tik tok star has commented on her skin colour, there is now thousands of comments on it and it’s trending.

twitter.com/Cobratate/status/1603331268913004545?s=20&t=qkVBQxfOJ9b6dym8d0pvXw

MSM in U.K. is evil

its not about journalism but money and power

its why we are in the mess we’re in now with Hugh bills low exports, recession etc mostly down to people believing the propaganda they are feed

I get the vibe Harry has got a hell of a lot of built up anger and resentment towards the RF and the media on his mums behalf too.

I hope he heals

Meghan was not a big Hollywood name. She was the American equivalent of Natalie Cassidy (Sonja from Eastenders) at a stretch. They both have obvious axes to grind and a lot of the headlines were not even about Meghan, or in some cases the royals. Whatever the point of it all, Harry is a total hypocrite he is essentially selling his kids to the highest bidders and potentially putting his niece and nephews through the same 'genetic pain' he wangs on about, by making snide inferences about their parents' marriage. They wanted out and they got out, just get on with your lives and recognise your privilege.

There's 3 sides to every story

this is so lazy and I see it on here all the time. Plenty of stories with only two sides and one of those being the truth.

If I were hit by my partner and he said he didn’t hit me what’s this ‘third side’?

I don’t know H&M. I thought they came across well and I was of the opinion long ago that she was hounded by the press.

I think it’s laughable to think a clearly intelligent and well educated woman would think she was going to be top dog of the Royal Family - I expect she was naive to the stuffiness at times but highly doubt she thought she was coming over to be a superstar.

Yep. "Recollections may vary" indeed. Perceptions (mis- or not), paranoia and misunderstandings on all sides colour people's recollections as they attribute motives to events which may or may not be true, and the more these are dwelt upon the more entrenched and entangled they become so it's really difficult even for the people involved to just objectively say what happened. It's hard to unpick the truth from all that overthinking.

The Queen had it nailed with her statement, 100% accurate whilst not pouring oil onto flames. (Although, that was pretty plain speaking for her!)