Page 12 | Meghan & Harry Were Lying From The Start, Weren't They?

TheShellBeach · 2022-12-15T17:47:04+00:00

As per the thread title. Right from the word go, Meghan and Harry were not telling the truth. About anything. Now the Netflix series has come out it just proves it, over and over again.

shockthemonkey · 20/12/2022 16:16

Ohnonevermind · Today 16:02
@shockthemonkey - I think the same. She lies to make herself sound better than she is. Does she think of them in advance or on the spur of the moment.
@Cosmic47
The OP is making relevant points where Meghan has lied, and whether she has convinced herself it’s the truth, all very relevant to the thread.

Thanks, @Ohnonevermind !

@Cosmic47 , have you confused me with the OP? You quote me then comment "I think you're obsessed, OP".

To be perfectly clear, I am not agreeing wholeheartedly with the OP because I think some of Meghan's so-called lies are the result of confusion on her part, or twisting of the facts/embellishment of stories - stories that could be great if only you could add this or that detail.

Because Meghan could be construed, by those who have spotted her deviations from the truth, eitherh to be genuinely confused, or to have convinced herself that her embellishments are the bare facts, I would say that no, she's not necessarily "lying"... she may be misleading BUT without intending to.

The charitable conclusion is that when she seems to be lying, she's either just confused, or caught up in her own fantasy world.

Elsiebear90 · 20/12/2022 17:10

H&M fans are hilarious. People say H&M lie, fans respond by asking what lies? Or deny there is any evidence of them lying.

So people post examples of their lies and manipulations, fans do mental gymnastics to try and excuse them or say “it’s their truth” aka a nice way of saying they are lying or manipulating the truth, but believe their own lies.

When they can’t come up with any more explanations or excuses they say “I don’t see how it matters anyway” or “you’re obsessed”. 🤣

I don’t hate H&M (before any one accuses me of that or reading the DM), I think the press have treated them appallingly and there definitely has been a racist element to that. However, that doesn’t mean everything they say is the truth and it’s hateful and unjustified to dislike them. They have been caught out a few times now outright lying or at the very least deliberately misrepresenting the truth, presumably to make them look good and like victims and/or to attract attention and viewers. I was open minded initially to their story, and I happily watched the wedding and was very positive about Meghan and their relationship.

However, their lies during the Oprah interview and him as a multi millionaire RF member sitting there during a pandemic when people have lost their jobs, homes and businesses trying to paint himself as a victim and gain sympathy because “people don’t understand how hard it is when your family cut you off financially” and as a result he had to pay for his own security. When the reality was he expected to get paid and enjoy the perks of a job without actually doing the job. It just changed my opinion on them completely and I lost any respect I had for him and their “situation” with the RF when I realised how out of touch and entitled the pair are, and how they are so keen to always be seen as the victims.

ImAvingOops · 20/12/2022 18:39

Meghan's so-called lies are the result of confusion on her part, or twisting of the facts/embellishment

Twisting of facts/embellishment is lying. As in, it's not the truth

ImAvingOops · 20/12/2022 18:43

And tbh, anyone who gets confused about reality, has no business partaking in documentaries. Documentaries are supposed to be based on proven facts. Accurate recollection is especially important in where other people's reputations are at stake.

Ohnonevermind · 20/12/2022 19:15

Most of the posters would have been jumping up and down when Trump made these types of comments (imaginary conversations with people telling him how great he was etc) but seem unable to see the hypocrisy in excusing her behaviour

SouperNoodle · 20/12/2022 19:20

I honestly couldn't give a shit. This is the first and last time I'll comment on a H&M thread.

All families have fallouts, it doesn't matter if they're commoners like us or royalty, drama is bound to happen at some point.
The only difference is that this is being spewed all over the media.
Your opinions (and the opinions of everyone else) are irrelevant here. Whether or not you like or dislike them makes no difference so just focus on your own life and let them live theirs.

yesitssea · 20/12/2022 19:55

What about the time she said she paid her way through school (uni) with jobs and then her Dad said 'eh? I paid for private school then Northwestern?'

South Africans dancing in the streets is the funniest one I heard.

The biggest one is obviously lying about being involved with the Finding Freedom book, which she was caught out on in court. Turns out she'd submitted a long email of things Scobie and Durand could put in. Really scummy personal things about her sister losing her kids and having 3 kids by different men.

oreste · 20/12/2022 20:07

yesitssea · 20/12/2022 19:55

What about the time she said she paid her way through school (uni) with jobs and then her Dad said 'eh? I paid for private school then Northwestern?'

South Africans dancing in the streets is the funniest one I heard.

The biggest one is obviously lying about being involved with the Finding Freedom book, which she was caught out on in court. Turns out she'd submitted a long email of things Scobie and Durand could put in. Really scummy personal things about her sister losing her kids and having 3 kids by different men.

You could only afford to pay your way through Northwestern doing causal work if it was on a yacht.

Lolly86 · 20/12/2022 20:09

RosettaStormer · 15/12/2022 20:01

I wondered if the reference to being told not to send photos by text to her friends was referencing that. Why would she have imagined that taking photos of private family stuff within the RF would be perfectly fine to be shared with her friends? If that is what it was.
They just seem totally tone deaf . The whole six hours was about themselves and their suffering. No insights into how others might have viewed them, except in a negative context. Nothing positive about any member of the RF bar the Queen, and only I suspect because they knew she was off limits. Just endless focus on their Great Love Story and their Tribulations. Tiresome and egotistical.

I notice many of the contentious issues were completely airbrushed out. The supposed bullying of staff, the demands they made on staff round the clock, their bad temper and demanding manner. Tiara gate. The 'forgetting' of vital information in the court case. The insistence that Finding Freedom did not use source material from them, when it clearly did. The claims that they were already married before the ceremony in public. Interesting that they didn't address any of this. How incredibly naive Harry was to think he would be provided Met protection for life in a foreign country. Just jaw dropping really.

They seem to have a lovely life now, gambolling in their beautiful gardens, going to the beach (why aren't they worried about Paps hiding out there?), playing games and lounging around. Really, they are incredibly fortunate. Neither of them has a job and they are set for life now with the enormous sums Netflix has paid them for essentially home movie footage. They wouldn't have had any of that without Harry's Royal connections. Yet there is not an ounce of gratitude, just endlessly painting themselves as Victims.

The press harassment was dreadful, but not motivated by racism I believe, in the main. Of course there are some deranged and dangerous loonies out there for whom race is an issue, but I think class and social expectations were at the root of a lot of the criticism, and Meghan often came across badly. Barging in front of Harry at public events, interrupting him, constantly drawing attention to herself at every opportunity. It grated. I think she is a total mismatch for the RF and Harry was obviously just looking for an exit from the whole shebang. They have got what they wanted now and good luck to them. I do think that one of these days it will hit home for Harry that he's jettisoned virtually his whole family and there will never be a way back. At the moment they are still in a phase of euphoria and excitement about their new life. Five or ten years down the line when they have nothing else to sell, and their children don't know their extended family, the regret may begin to set in.

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oreste · 20/12/2022 20:25

Looks like Jacinda Arden has had to distance herself from their documentary. She never collaborated with them on it and they have obviously used footage she provided elsewhere. How embarrassing.

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 21:05

oreste · 20/12/2022 20:25

Looks like Jacinda Arden has had to distance herself from their documentary. She never collaborated with them on it and they have obviously used footage she provided elsewhere. How embarrassing.

This is in reference to the new documentary on Netflix about inspirational leaders, not the Harry and Meghan documentary.

I think they’re listed as ‘executive producers’ but it looks like they were added long after production occurred, and are essentially just doing voice overs.

I’m guessing Jacinda Arden has clarified this as she wants to remain neutral as far as UK relations are concerned

Morestrangethings · 21/12/2022 00:49

pelargoniums · 20/12/2022 10:32

I googled it and just found plenty of stories that a not-especially-famous Meghan met a very famous Ellen and naturally remembered the encounter, whereas Ellen did not, and then they later recounted this on Ellen’s show. Non-celebrities are likely to recall celebrity encounters in detail where to the famous person it’s a non-event. As is this “proof” of her manipulating the truth.

It’s the same as the “gotcha” that Meghan did a curtsy on Suits a decade before she curtsied to the Queen: it’s a three-second clip of a programme that had 100s of episodes over what, a seven-year run? I write novels and get people at events asking me about details in my first book from a decade ago: half the time I can’t remember what on earth they’re talking about and I wrote it! Most people don’t remember every detail of their day job, which Suits was, if they were there seven years.

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Thank you, Pelargoniums.

Some people seem to expect Meghan to have a perfect memory of her life -perfect recall. I know no one who has that.

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A bit beside the point, but when we get much older, our short term memory becomes less sharp, and our long term memory tends to become greater.

Its why older people can be such good subjects in regards to Oral History. .

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I think one reason Meghan is popular is that she’s a human being with both strengths and flaws. As are we all. I believe it’s why most Royal Family members rarely speak openly, or show much personality - it helps them retain an air of mystery - the ordained by god to rule etc… of course they are very human with their flaws and strengths, but it doesn’t serve them to show them to us if they can help it.

onlylarkin · 21/12/2022 01:02

I have to interject about the college "lie", which it isn't.

She worked her ass off in school and got the grades for scholarships in college. Her father would not have been able to afford Northwestern with it as it tuition with room and board is about $88,000 per year.

She also participated in a work study program. A student works on campus and the earnings are applied to tuition.

Then, after all of that, daddy paid for the rest.

meinteresamucho · 21/12/2022 02:39

It is a lie if she said she paid for her college fees. If she used a word such as "partially" or "contributed to" then I'd say that was honest. I don't remember what she actually said though but I'm sure someone else does...

onlylarkin · 21/12/2022 03:27

She said:

“As a university graduate, I know the personal feeling of pride and excitement that comes with attending university," she said. "I am also fully aware of the challenges of being able to afford this level of schooling for many people around the world—myself included. It was through scholarships, financial aid programs, and work-study where my earnings from a job on campus went directly towards my tuition...that I was able to attend university. And, without question, it was worth every effort.”

As I said, Northwestern is $80k+ a year, she would not have been able to attend without what she mentioned.

She never said she paid, only that she would have been unable to attend university without also having scholarships, work study earnings, and financial aid.

Christmasinbed · 21/12/2022 04:53

Elsiebear90 · 20/12/2022 17:10

H&M fans are hilarious. People say H&M lie, fans respond by asking what lies? Or deny there is any evidence of them lying.

So people post examples of their lies and manipulations, fans do mental gymnastics to try and excuse them or say “it’s their truth” aka a nice way of saying they are lying or manipulating the truth, but believe their own lies.

When they can’t come up with any more explanations or excuses they say “I don’t see how it matters anyway” or “you’re obsessed”. 🤣

I don’t hate H&M (before any one accuses me of that or reading the DM), I think the press have treated them appallingly and there definitely has been a racist element to that. However, that doesn’t mean everything they say is the truth and it’s hateful and unjustified to dislike them. They have been caught out a few times now outright lying or at the very least deliberately misrepresenting the truth, presumably to make them look good and like victims and/or to attract attention and viewers. I was open minded initially to their story, and I happily watched the wedding and was very positive about Meghan and their relationship.

However, their lies during the Oprah interview and him as a multi millionaire RF member sitting there during a pandemic when people have lost their jobs, homes and businesses trying to paint himself as a victim and gain sympathy because “people don’t understand how hard it is when your family cut you off financially” and as a result he had to pay for his own security. When the reality was he expected to get paid and enjoy the perks of a job without actually doing the job. It just changed my opinion on them completely and I lost any respect I had for him and their “situation” with the RF when I realised how out of touch and entitled the pair are, and how they are so keen to always be seen as the victims.

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shockthemonkey · 21/12/2022 06:07

ImAvingOops · Yesterday 18:39
Meghan's so-called lies are the result of confusion on her part, or twisting of the facts/embellishment
Twisting of facts/embellishment is lying. As in, it's not the truth

@ImAvingOops , semantics and pragmatics teach us the difference between lying, misleading, deceiving... between what is said, what is implied and what is inferred. You can deceive while telling the truth - I could give examples if you like - and conversely, if you totally believe what you're saying, you're not lying because there is no intention to deceive. You're simply telling an untruth, which is not always the same as lying. And a very charitable interpretation of what is going on with Meghan is that sometimes she believes her own fabrications.

Walnutwhipsarenothesame · 21/12/2022 06:25

Yes, it’s called being a fantasist. Harry’s become one too. ‘My Mum’ has become a virtual Saint in retrospect. The two of them live in a bubble, where truth is a flexible concept.

susan12345678 · 21/12/2022 06:32

Of course there are some deranged and dangerous loonies out there for whom race is an issue, but I think class and social expectations were at the root of a lot of the criticism, and Meghan often came across badly. Barging in front of Harry at public events, interrupting him, constantly drawing attention to herself at every opportunity. It grated. I think she is a total mismatch for the RF and Harry was obviously just looking for an exit from the whole shebang. They have got what they wanted now and good luck to them. I do think that one of these days it will hit home for Harry that he's jettisoned virtually his whole family and there will never be a way back.

Completely agree.

I’m guessing Jacinda Arden has clarified this as she wants to remain neutral as far as UK relations are concerned

She also has an election coming up, and H&M are as unpopular in NZ as they are here...

shockthemonkey · 21/12/2022 06:43

onlylarkin · 21/12/2022 01:02

I have to interject about the college "lie", which it isn't.

She worked her ass off in school and got the grades for scholarships in college. Her father would not have been able to afford Northwestern with it as it tuition with room and board is about $88,000 per year.

She also participated in a work study program. A student works on campus and the earnings are applied to tuition.

Then, after all of that, daddy paid for the rest.

It’s important to get balanced assessments like this, thanks Larkin.
We should be careful to steer clear of strong language and name-calling as it detracts from the issues. For me the main issue is an entire nation being branded racists by this couple, and also the cries of racism and hate being leveled at anyone on this board who points out a pattern of telling proven and serious untruths. I’m not at all bothered by the who paid for her college story, as I don’t think she outright lied in this instance, just sometimes forgot to mention her father’s contribution.

takeitonthegin · 21/12/2022 06:49

Piers, is that you?

susan12345678 · 21/12/2022 06:58

sometimes forgot to mention her father’s contribution.

She does seem prone to 'forgetfulness' if the trial with the Daily Mail offers any guide

shockthemonkey · 21/12/2022 07:01

I agree

Morestrangethings · 21/12/2022 07:10

For me the main issue is an entire nation being branded racists by this couple

But as far as I can see the ‘entire nation’ was not branded racist. I remember Harry saying the ‘British press are racist.’ It might even have been ‘the British tabloid press are racist.’ But not the British public. However, this doesn’t stop people pushing it as true.

No ‘entire nation’ is racist. Harry did not say it.

richlydetailed · 21/12/2022 08:45

@Morestrangethings but it was definitely implied by the coverage of brexit in the documentary, which was a huge simplification of a very complex issue. I voted to remain but was exasperated by the lazy assumption that brexit voters were all racists.