Meghan & Harry Were Lying From The Start, Weren't They?

[TheShellBeach]

As per the thread title.

Right from the word go, Meghan and Harry were not telling the truth. About anything.

Now the Netflix series has come out it just proves it, over and over again.

Lied about what?
The only strange thing was during the Oprah interview when she said they were already married before their big day. Other than that, I can’t see where she has lied. I feel people don’t like her because she is a strong woman.

Oh I see she kept the cook and some other trusted staff- that makes sense then as they weren't linked to security

I didn't once say anything about why she didn't have her protection officers. None of what you said is relevant to the fact that she wouldn't have died if she'd had better security. I can't remember what that was in context of - Harry and Meghan worrying about their security probably. It wasn't a comment about the whys and wherefores of Diana's death OTHER THAN to point out the importance of competent security for a member of the Royal Family. OK?

Oh right so you are saying her former former protection officer, Ken Wharfe is lieing?

Got any proof of that?

My god you really are stretching here... I challange you to provide proof he was not telling the truth.

You challenge me ??

😂

I take it then you have no proof, obviosuly a direct quote from her own protection officer is not reliable enough evidence 😂

Serenster, I'm afraid I just don't see eye to eye with you at all. You seem to want to pick at every little thing; I acknowledge they could be more precise, choose their words more carefully at times, fine. It's the bigger picture which I see and which I think I've made a fair assessment of, and that's why I support them.

Strong. women. don't. need.t o. tell. lies. EVER

Nor. Do. They. Need. To. Abuse. PUNCTUATION.

However, Diana wanted her freedom and so disbanded most of her royal staff, just holding onto a cleaner, a cook, a dresser and her butler.
Hahahaha how the aristos live. Give me my freedom! But with a butler, obv.

That's nice but in reality not really true. Strong. Women. Probably. Lie. To. Keep Their. Partners., Family., Children., etc Happy.......

Are you having a stroke?

It’s court record she lied tbf.
When JK provided evidence to the court that she had in fact lied in her sworn statement that she had nothing to do with the finding freedom book, when she had.
She apologised for ‘misremembering’ in her sworn statement.

Thats a pretty big lie. To a court of law.

And rather than mentioning this in their show, she twisted it as JK gave evidence against her with permission from W, as proof W was working against them.

without mentioning the evidence was that she lied (sorry, misremembered)

What should JK have done once it was known that what she said wasn’t true. When he had evidence? Just ignore it?

😁If they need to lie then they are not really strong. It's just trite but marketable guff.

Trite but marketable guff is what keeps the RF family so popular with their supporters. I'm sure they don't love parading their children in public ....

Deal with the plain meaning of what ANYONE actually says in any situation going. You actually said "People interpret things differently" in response! Wow.

"I see what I eat" really isn't the same thing as "I eat what I see", you know!

The PLAIN meaning of the words in any sentence is the foundation to understanding what someone is saying.

You're basically ignoring the words Meghan and Harry have used in order to decide what YOU want them to have said! 🤦‍♂️

It really doesn't work like that in terms of language.....

As for Diana, you have zero evidence she'd still be alive if she had MET Police Protection in France. Here, you have to use Occams Razor.....simplest statement is Diana would be alive if she'd put her seatbelt on.

Campaigns for the wearing of seatbelts had been done long, long before 1997!

Talk about passing the buck.....

Meghan has a track record for manipulating the truth way before she met Harry. The one that springs to mind is the dog shelter/Ellen story where she posted about meeting Ellen at a dog shelter who then advised her on which dog to pick. Ellen's response was bewilderment. Google it.

Meghan Markle was a determined grifter. She was forever trying to raise her profile and an effective way to do this was to align herself with genuine celebrities. I always assumed this was why she invited those A List celebrities to the wedding when she had barely met them before.

I do not believe she would have looked twice at Harry if he'd just been a floor manager on the set of Suits.

I googled it and just found plenty of stories that a not-especially-famous Meghan met a very famous Ellen and naturally remembered the encounter, whereas Ellen did not, and then they later recounted this on Ellen’s show. Non-celebrities are likely to recall celebrity encounters in detail where to the famous person it’s a non-event. As is this “proof” of her manipulating the truth.

It’s the same as the “gotcha” that Meghan did a curtsy on Suits a decade before she curtsied to the Queen: it’s a three-second clip of a programme that had 100s of episodes over what, a seven-year run? I write novels and get people at events asking me about details in my first book from a decade ago: half the time I can’t remember what on earth they’re talking about and I wrote it! Most people don’t remember every detail of their day job, which Suits was, if they were there seven years.

There is a story in the paper today where the chief of police in Vancouver refuted claims made by M that they weren't given police protection while in Canada.

It does come across as MM 'misremembering' on more than one occasion

Yes, her version of "misremembering" is just her lying. Again and again.

She has said some very misleading things, that's for sure, and some untruths were told, I believe, stemming from her "strong sense of self".

One such example is her response to Oprah when asked if Archie wasn't getting a title or his own protection because of his skin color. That's when Meghan sighed, and trotted out words to the effect that "all I know is that they were concerned about his skin colour and around the same time we were told that he wouldn't get his own protection or a title". Obviously I am paraphrasing there, but can she really have conflated a possibly unintentionally crass remark with the quite different explanations re the letters of patent and what this ancient statute meant for Archie? Meghan's disingenuous reply here - and let's face it she was either being disingenuous or stupid - stoked the accusations of racism that were levelled at the RF.

Another untruth, just number two of many, was Meghan's claim that a South African member of the cast of Lion King told her that there was jubilation in the streets at home when she married into the RF, very similar to when Nelson Mandela was freed. But Dr John Kani, the only South African on the cast, says he never even met Meghan, much less said anything of the sort. Cue a fruitless search for whom she may possibly have been speaking to. In this instance it might seem a bit harsh to say Meghan lied... I think she may have got carried away and embellished her story. Perhaps she did get a nice comment from the cast line-up when she met them, but not from a South African, and probably nobody made a weird parallel between Meghan's wedding and such a momentous occasion as the release of Nelson Mandela. I think that conversation existed largely in Meghan's head.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Meghan's been lying from the start. That would be a bit harsh, and some of the things she's been saying have been true. What I believe is that she's a bit of a fantasizer at times, she likes to spin a good tale. So she'll embroider a truth or pretend to misconstrue a comment to advance her own narrative. And I think, in so far as you are convinced of the truth of what you're saying, it's not lying... because lying is to intentionally mislead, and I think often she's the one who is misled, or confused.

There’s a good article in The Times today about M and H by Melanie Philips. I’m not a subscriber so can’t post a link. I read a physical paper.

I think you're obsessed op, maybe you need to get out more.

@shockthemonkey - I think the same. She lies to make herself sound better than she is. Does she think of them in advance or on the spur of the moment.

@Cosmic47

The OP is making relevant points where Meghan has lied, and whether she has convinced herself it’s the truth, all very relevant to the thread.