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Will Harry and William ever repair their falling out

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asblindasabat · 15/12/2022 15:27

Sadly, it just seems to be getting worse. I don’t really care or take any notice of relationships in the celebrity or world or the relationships of public figures, but I do find it quite sad that there are two brothers who were probably very close at one point and brought closer together by the premature death of their mother at a young age and are now so distant from each other, and I don’t just mean geographically.

I can’t see Harry and William ever making amends, what with all this Netflix stuff, the Oprah stuff and his new book.

It just seems a bit sad!

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bakalava · 16/12/2022 18:45

The desperation to convert others to the H&M cult is real.

Talia99 · 16/12/2022 19:09

bakalava · 16/12/2022 18:45

The desperation to convert others to the H&M cult is real.

So is the desperation to convince others they are devils incarnate.

At worst they are somewhat self-centered and may remember things as they want them to be (I don’t think so but that’s what criticism of them seems to boil down to). The literal hate they get online is bizarre, particularly when the fact they’ve done very little other members of the RF haven’t done first.

I remember Charles’ sit down with whichever Dimbleby it was and the book in which he was critical of the Queen and Philip’s parenting skills if you don’t.

They haven’t had to pay damages for the rape of a trafficked teenager or accepted suitcases full of cash from dodgy overseas sources or even used Jimmy Saville as their marriage counsellor (excellent choice there, Charles /s).

Talia99 · 16/12/2022 19:10

Talia99 · 16/12/2022 19:09

So is the desperation to convince others they are devils incarnate.

At worst they are somewhat self-centered and may remember things as they want them to be (I don’t think so but that’s what criticism of them seems to boil down to). The literal hate they get online is bizarre, particularly when the fact they’ve done very little other members of the RF haven’t done first.

I remember Charles’ sit down with whichever Dimbleby it was and the book in which he was critical of the Queen and Philip’s parenting skills if you don’t.

They haven’t had to pay damages for the rape of a trafficked teenager or accepted suitcases full of cash from dodgy overseas sources or even used Jimmy Saville as their marriage counsellor (excellent choice there, Charles /s).

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Sorry, particularly when they’ve done nothing….

FuckConvoGiveMeAForest · 16/12/2022 19:22

handholdin · 16/12/2022 18:29

Why is it not feasible that the jealously was on wills and Kate's side. "Bullshit" isn't actually a response to my point it only serves the narrative of unconscious biases on the royal family and tabloids side towards Harry and Megan.

Come on. We all saw dozens upon dozens of photos of the three of them together and whilst pictures don't say everything it's pretty clear they were all very close. I've no doubt they wanted him to build a family unit of his own. Also wasn't Kate quite close to Chelsy? William and Kate have what appears to be a solid partnership, three healthy, well adjusted children and the support of most of the country. He is future King, she is future Queen. What on earth would they have to possibly be jealous of? I don't believe for a second they didn't want Harry to not marry. I do believe they just didn't want him to marry the wrong one. Not because he will get more attention than them... but because they don't want him to get hurt!

upinaballoon · 16/12/2022 20:18

For how long did William's alleged 'screaming and shouting' last? Was it for 30 minutes solid or was it for 15 seconds? If my sibling had shouted at me I think the length of time that the outburst took would have some bearing on how I felt about him/her now. Do we know if Harry shouted?
As for granny sitting there, didn't she ever see her father lose his temper or her husband swear about something? I think she might well have.
Could the boys ever reconcile? Possibly. It depends if they both want to. There needs some dust-settling time, I think, if they are ever to be on good terms again. I don't mean 2 weeks, like in the soaps. I mean 10 years.

Glassofwhatever · 16/12/2022 20:20

Yes 10 years time possibly

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 16/12/2022 21:22

Why is it not feasible that the jealously was on wills and Kate's side.

Firstly, they're not the ones lashing out. They are happily getting on with the business of being future king and queen of England. Secondly, what have they to be jealous of when it comes to Harry and Meghan?

Yes, it's feasible that the jealousy is on their side, but it's difficult to come with an argument as for why.

StClare101 · 16/12/2022 21:29

I think Harry is sending a very clear mess that he doesn’t want a relationship with his family and in turn none of them can risk spending any private time with him again as why give him more fodder?

I hope they don’t invite him to the coronation. He has no place there now.

WaddleAway · 16/12/2022 21:37

I think that’s the problem now. They can’t speak openly to him and they know he has no qualms about selling their personal conversations to the highest bidder. Far safer for William and Kate to stay away.

DuchessofSandwich · 16/12/2022 22:16

handholdin · 16/12/2022 18:29

Why is it not feasible that the jealously was on wills and Kate's side. "Bullshit" isn't actually a response to my point it only serves the narrative of unconscious biases on the royal family and tabloids side towards Harry and Megan.

Kate and Wills will become king and queen and will go in the history books. Harry will be forgotten in a few grnerations. Kate and Wills both had a good education, they have three very cute children and they're rich and good looking (well Kate is at least). Why on earth would they be jealous of Harry? Harry couldn't study, has had a lot of bad press (nazi uniform, racist remarks, naked in Las Vegas), had trouble finding a wife and seems like a very unhappy person. What's there to be jealous of? Just because he had more press for a couple of weeks? I imagine that Kate and Wills enjoyed the down time.

maeveiscurious · 17/12/2022 00:14

StClare101 · 16/12/2022 21:29

I think Harry is sending a very clear mess that he doesn’t want a relationship with his family and in turn none of them can risk spending any private time with him again as why give him more fodder?

I hope they don’t invite him to the coronation. He has no place there now.

God knows what the next series will be about

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ShamedBySiri · 17/12/2022 00:25

It already seems a long time since the death of our wonderful Queen. And now I am actually glad she has died. I am so glad she never got to see or hear about this ghastly, disrespectful whingefest. Which we now know had been planned and mostly filmed a long time ago when they would reasonably have expected that Her Majesty would still have been alive to see it.

Some silver lining. Hmm

Glassofwhatever · 17/12/2022 00:40

ShamedBySiri · 17/12/2022 00:25

It already seems a long time since the death of our wonderful Queen. And now I am actually glad she has died. I am so glad she never got to see or hear about this ghastly, disrespectful whingefest. Which we now know had been planned and mostly filmed a long time ago when they would reasonably have expected that Her Majesty would still have been alive to see it.

Some silver lining. Hmm

Me too 😢

Nat6999 · 17/12/2022 00:54

I think Harry has his faults but he is right about the RF, they are dysfunctional & toxic. I know The Crown is part fictional but the scene where Charles had a bust up with the Queen & shouted if they were an ordinary family social services would have been involved rang true. Any ordinary family that behaved like the RF would have SS all over them, the Queen left Charles & Anne for months on end, I have read that if she turned up at Bath time she ended up leaving it all to the nannies because she didn't know where to start. The emotionless way the RF behave, they don't understand that it isn't normal to behave that way.

milveycrohn · 17/12/2022 07:17

@WhatsTheEffingPoint
"Trust has been broken/manipulated and it never fully comes back. Yes it's sad but it's a consequence of actions."

Once Trust is broken, it takes a very long time for it to be restored if at all.
So, I doubt their relationship will ever be repaired, although things could improve in the future.

NotDoingThisToday · 17/12/2022 07:23

Nat6999 · 17/12/2022 00:54

I think Harry has his faults but he is right about the RF, they are dysfunctional & toxic. I know The Crown is part fictional but the scene where Charles had a bust up with the Queen & shouted if they were an ordinary family social services would have been involved rang true. Any ordinary family that behaved like the RF would have SS all over them, the Queen left Charles & Anne for months on end, I have read that if she turned up at Bath time she ended up leaving it all to the nannies because she didn't know where to start. The emotionless way the RF behave, they don't understand that it isn't normal to behave that way.

It is by nio means unusual that busy families with busy working parents leave their children with trusted adults who the children know and are familiar with like nannies or extended family members. That fact alone is not a reason for social services to get involved.

Sugarfree23 · 17/12/2022 08:01

Nat6999 · 17/12/2022 00:54

I think Harry has his faults but he is right about the RF, they are dysfunctional & toxic. I know The Crown is part fictional but the scene where Charles had a bust up with the Queen & shouted if they were an ordinary family social services would have been involved rang true. Any ordinary family that behaved like the RF would have SS all over them, the Queen left Charles & Anne for months on end, I have read that if she turned up at Bath time she ended up leaving it all to the nannies because she didn't know where to start. The emotionless way the RF behave, they don't understand that it isn't normal to behave that way.

I feel I need to step in and defend a young woman who needed to travel for work. Could you imagine what it would have done for Womans Rights and equality if the young Queen had said "No I can't travel leaving my children behind?"

Remember travel wasn't so easy 70 years ago. And it's not like the kids were neglected Granny and Auntie were there along with a team of nannies.

Men have travelled from work for centuries, not seeing their kids for months at a time. Nobody bats an eyelid.

Men travel for work all the time in miliary roles, (the RF are a Military family at heart) construction, oil, and all sorts of maritime jobs being away is completely accepted and expected.

No reason even now for SS to be involved because a parent works away.

Prince Philip - his upbringing was a different ball game - that would have warranted SS involved.

StClare101 · 17/12/2022 08:27

Nat6999 · 17/12/2022 00:54

I think Harry has his faults but he is right about the RF, they are dysfunctional & toxic. I know The Crown is part fictional but the scene where Charles had a bust up with the Queen & shouted if they were an ordinary family social services would have been involved rang true. Any ordinary family that behaved like the RF would have SS all over them, the Queen left Charles & Anne for months on end, I have read that if she turned up at Bath time she ended up leaving it all to the nannies because she didn't know where to start. The emotionless way the RF behave, they don't understand that it isn't normal to behave that way.

And Prince Philip too of course, or is it only mothers that are looked down upon for being emotionally distant?

Sugarfree23 · 17/12/2022 08:43

How do any of us know the Queen and PP were emotionally distant?

30 years ago people just weren't as cuddly as they are now, or at least not in public.
Nobody knows what went on behind closed doors.

marvingale · 17/12/2022 09:02

showysnowy · 15/12/2022 16:01

Not that I'm saying people with kids don't divorce but two royal kids are on the other side of the world so it would be a brutal custody battle.

What's the talk about divorce?? They seem like a lovely couple, in love and very strong together? Of course it can always happen. but judging on 5 episodes so far, I have seen no evidence of that happening any time soon.

marvingale · 17/12/2022 09:10

DriftwoodOnTheShore · 15/12/2022 16:35

I agree. When the divorce comes Harry will edge his way back into the family.

I feel really sorry for him in his love blindness.

Why do you keep speculating on divorce? I think the prospect of this is pretty unlikely at this stage. What am I missing here? Is the answer in episode 6?

marvingale · 17/12/2022 09:11

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 15/12/2022 16:39

Meghan is toxic, and Harry is under her toxic spell, making him toxic - so until the spell breaks, Harry will continue to spew poison at his father, brother et al. But I have no doubt that one day, the spell will break, and then when Harry is thinking clearly, and sees how horrendously he and Meghan acted, he can begin to make amends and there is hope that his family will forgive him and move forward. (This exact scenario happened in my family. Sadly it took almost 20 years to play out.)

Why is she toxic exactly? Please can you give specific examples??

handholdin · 17/12/2022 09:35

I think most of the posters on here still can't get past the fact that Harry has left his role and started a new life. How many of us would spend all our life's playing second fiddle to our brother and sister in law. The only thing Harry and Megan need to do is get past all this hate and look forward. At the end of the day they aren't living off the tax payers anymore unlike the rest of the royal family.

skippingthroughthedaisies · 17/12/2022 09:37

He hasn’t started a new life. He’s cashing in on dragging up his old one.

WaddleAway · 17/12/2022 09:38

handholdin · 17/12/2022 09:35

I think most of the posters on here still can't get past the fact that Harry has left his role and started a new life. How many of us would spend all our life's playing second fiddle to our brother and sister in law. The only thing Harry and Megan need to do is get past all this hate and look forward. At the end of the day they aren't living off the tax payers anymore unlike the rest of the royal family.

I wish he would start a new life, for his own sake and that of his family. At the moment, they’re just trying to make a living from selling stories about their old one. It can’t be good for their mental health, really.