Will Harry and William ever repair their falling out

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Sadly, it just seems to be getting worse. I don’t really care or take any notice of relationships in the celebrity or world or the relationships of public figures, but I do find it quite sad that there are two brothers who were probably very close at one point and brought closer together by the premature death of their mother at a young age and are now so distant from each other, and I don’t just mean geographically.

I can’t see Harry and William ever making amends, what with all this Netflix stuff, the Oprah stuff and his new book.

It just seems a bit sad!

This is my worry. Where does Harrry go when he sees who Meghan is? He won't want to leave his DC and live in the UK and already appears to be very unwell.

I think Charles was wrong to encourage cakeism in Harry and is partly responsible for setting some of these events in train. His vision of the slimmed down RF included both of his sons and excluded Beatrice & Eugenie and others. My children, not my brother's children.

The problem is that he wanted both Sons in his firm whilst setting Will on a more elevated path within it. Of course Harry would feel resentful and this would build. Harry should have been encouraged to flourish outside the circle.

Sadly, it's too late now.

My prediction is they will split when the kids are older. Harry will want to be welcomed back by his brother the king (my money is not on Charles lasting as long as his mum). Megan will marry a richer guy and obviously sell more of her story.

@Coucous some of your theories on here are strange enough to make me suspect your username has a silent ‘S’

It was mentioned in a documentary. When Harry left full time service he was lost , he was out "partying" and "doing things one shouldn't do" that's why he was given a role to be head of military ceremonial duties.

But anyone who was on the part scene in London knew he loved a bit of Charlie.

Than also in his Apple TV show thingy he said

"28 to probably 32 was a nightmare time in my life," he said.

As a young royal with a party lifestyle, Harry was frequently featured in the UK's tabloid press.

The prince said he drank heavily while unhappy. "I would probably drink a week's worth in one day on a Friday or a Saturday night," he told Winfrey. "And I would find myself drinking not because I was enjoying it but because I was trying to mask something."

"I was willing to drink, I was willing to take drugs," he said, adding: "I was willing to try and do the things that made me feel less like I was feeling."

I doubt it. I think he's gone too far now. If this is what's come out on Netflix part 2 then goodness knows what's going to be in the book!

Harry is a fucking social grenade, always has been 😂

The palace have had to tidy up many a mess he has made.

He's no cheeky ginger prince charming, that I can assure you...

Between Nazi uniforms, racial slurs, cocaine and drink binges. Prostitutes and gambling in las Vegas to mention but a few "unfortunate incidents", the women he dated didn't stick around because of the "concern about attention" that's just spin you were all fed, they didn't stick around because he's a walking disaster.

The man had to do not one, but two "equality and diversity" training courses during his military service! 🤦🏻‍♀️

He's well off out of it. All he's done is reveal what a patriarchal and toxic institution they are. He makes them look like a posh mafia family.

I think they sound like a normal family. H is the baby and used to getting his own way.

I can't see a way forward at the moment. I have no doubt at all that M and H experienced a really tough time but this is their story, highly controlled and edited. It was touchingly told and hard not to feel sympathy to a degree.
However, it is their truth and there's no way of scrutinising it because the royals will keep their own counsel as far as possible.
The text from William...if I'd been on national TV talking about my family and airing grievances publicly as they did with Oprah, I think my siblings might have had something to say too. What did they expect the response to be?
There are lots of questions that can't be answered without 'he said, she said' bickering. I just feel they've created a really distorted reality for themselves, absolutely not that it's all lies but that they're incapable of analysing their own choices. I think, in these last three episodes, they've gone too far for things to be OK.

I wonder if the text from William that was shown on tv was staged for the cameras? Why would they be recording, how would they have known what he was going to say to get the filming cameras in? And why didn’t they show us what William was allegedly meant to have said?

When Meghan leaves Harry (restarts her acting career possibly starts a talk show or marries a billionaire) Harry will return the royal family (by this stage William will be king) he will be welcomed and forgiven but will live a reclusive life.

😂😂😂😂

A normal family? Good one 🙂

And what are they going to say. 40 years of ‘the monarchy were mean to us’? They don’t have anything else.

This rings true.

A normal family compared to what, the Manson Family maybe.

No. William stabbed Harry in the back by allowing / encouraging his press office to brief against him (Harry) and doing things like the Flybe photographs when H&M were being criticised for using a private jet, plus allowing Jason K to give evidence for the DM in M’s legal case (if Jason K hadn’t had permission to breach the NDA he’d have been out on his ear immediately).

Harry retaliated by raising things the RF thought should remain private in public (see Oprah, documentary, book).

Both think they are the victim and I suspect both would require a full grovelling apology from the other which included a public admission of being wholly at fault for the breach before any reconciliation was possible. As neither thinks he is at fault, that isn’t happening.

Whether you believe Harry’s version of events or that put forward by William, no reconciliation is possible as things stand. I believe Harry since the Flybe stunt and the Jason K evidence was so public but even those people who think I’m wrong for believing Harry might well agree Harry believes that’s what happened.

Add in either William was screaming abuse at Harry during the Sandringham meeting (which again I do believe but I know a lot of people don’t) or Harry has told public lies about William’s conduct in said meeting. Again, no chance of reconciliation without a full apology from whoever behaved badly and either a public admission of appalling behaviour (William) or a public admission of lying (Harry).

Harry is to William as Samantha is to Megan. Harry just can't see it.

It is really interesting seeing the personal things people are saying about Kate whilst talking about how awful it is that women drag down Meghan. On this forum I've read that she's a doormat, boring, can't speak eloquently, a social climber, thick, too thin, a bad example to mothers, hatchet/stony/hard faced, jealous, basic, manipulative, in love with Harry...surely appreciating that the Sussexes had bad experiences doesn't have to mean being spiteful about someone else?
I am sure that there were many, many times that 'the firm' had to 'lie to protect'/manipulate the press to repress very negative stories about Harry. That seems to have been forgotten.
M and H undoubtedly experienced some awful press behaviour but their narrative is never going to begin to help heal a rift if this is what they actually want.

Yep good summary. Have watched the last three episodes and think the same.

Families change over time.
To answer the original question, then it is possible in years to come, things will improve.
We only have Harry saying William shouted. And they have embroidered the reality and told lies before, so I do not necessarily believe him.
The problem is, if you deny 9 of 10 allegations, then it is assumed the 10th is true, but often the allegations are rather vague.
Maybe no one spoke about Archie's colour for example, so maybe this is something that cannot be denied, because no one knows who is being referred to.

I also wonder what will happen next.
Once they burn through their millions from this series.
They can’t continue to milk the grievance but they’ll need some source of income.

that no one, not his Dad, not his brother, none of the logistical staff thought - or did think and choose not to - contact him and get him there given he happened to be in the U.K. at the time was very cruel.
No it was fair and sensible. None of the other grandchildren went at the same time as William either, why should Harry? What makes Harry more deserving of rushing there than Eugenie for example? William is in the direct line of the throne, of course he had to be there. In any case, Harry would have exploited the situation for his Netflix thing and I'm sure he will sell his experience in the future. They had to protect the late Queen from Harry as he can no longer be trusted to keep royal family business private. 😞

If my brother had behaved so horribly to my father and ageing grandmother I’d have shouted at him.

Harry was a serving soldier in Afghanistan but apparently William shouting in Norfolk was terrifying? Had they never had an argument before?

It’s absurd

I wish Harry could understand who will lose from this Netflix series. It won't be the rest of the family who will serenely ignore it - in public at least.