Page 19 | Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

CathyorClaire · 2022-12-13T20:06:07+00:00

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for --better-- more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

Roussette · 15/12/2022 13:55

susan12345678 · 15/12/2022 13:53

It's also disturbing that he has chosen to ally himself with the York family

Yes, you can tell a lot about people from the company they keep

So Eugenie is responsible for her father's behaviour, is that what you're saying?

On 'Andrew' threads people have been roasted for daring to suggest that, but of course it's a way of criticising M&H so anything goes on these threads

Glindara · 15/12/2022 13:56

miri1985 · 15/12/2022 13:48

I don't think they will firstly they've got the book coming out in January. I assume Meghan will also do a book at some point. The Netflix series didn't cover the Queens funeral, I'm sure there were a lot of slights there that will need covering.

Also it wouldn't surprise me given what they were saying before the the Netflix series came out about their story being told through someone elses voice (a documentarian they picked) that they could well do another series themselves rehashing it all again and it would get a fair amount of viewers even though we've heard it all before. This will not be the last time we hear their "truth"

I agree I hope they stay together because you know if they didn't they would be airing their grievances with each other via the media.

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NF will be delighted (as are media) because any divisive/ polarisating narrative attracts double the audience - the supporters and the critics and they each in their own way play a part in turning the wheel of the cash generation of the media outlets by engaging.

I wonder if this will be the emotional discharge and healing experience that this couple need to move on and look to the future?

I suppose it depends if they need “success” to be defined and measured by changing public opinion or if “success” is just that they have got this off their chest.

I hope it’s the latter - otherwise they will be on this futile merry go round forever.

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 15/12/2022 13:58

I think Netflix have thrown them to the wolves. But I wonder if H&M will even realise. I think they'll be pleased with it.

Rhondaa · 15/12/2022 13:59

Ohnonevermind · 15/12/2022 13:53

It’s a pity they didn’t get the pilot onto the documentary so he could wipe a tear from his left eye 😢while explaining to us all how in the history of the world, no sacrifice has been greater than Harry and Meghan’s

Yes that would have been an authentically beautiful moment. Perhaps the elusive chap who said she was like Mandela could've featured too <if he existed obviously>.

Such a fascinating pair, karting about all these tales and venom. It is funny yet also not funny as we've no idea what damage they are doing to the mental wellbeing of those they seem desperate to destroy.

His mother would be ashamed and horrified.

miri1985 · 15/12/2022 14:00

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 15/12/2022 13:58

I think Netflix have thrown them to the wolves. But I wonder if H&M will even realise. I think they'll be pleased with it.

I think the fact that they distanced themselves from it before it came out and didn't do any promotion for it is a sign that they might have had some awareness

Glindara · 15/12/2022 14:02

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 13:33

Because he only surrounds himself with others who will morris back to him
his own narrative and perspective. He has developed seriously maladaptive schemas, to be expected given his childhood. They impact how he perceives the world and situations.

Everyone has schemas, but when you have experienced trauma you can develop maladaptive ones which can become problematic as they distort your perception of the world and leave you feeling very afraid and vulnerable and like the world is a very dangerous place for you.

It is very possible, with therapy, to challenge and change those schemas, but Harry only surrounds himself with people who reinforce his schemas. He see the world as a dangerous place, where he and his wife are persecuted and at risk. Anyone who challenges that view is cut off and rejected. He only tolerates people around who reinforce those beliefs.

It is incredibly harmful, for him
and his relationships with others. But I don’t see that he’s at all aware of his schemas (not getting the right sort of therapy - it would be covered in trauma therapy) - if he is aware he is certainly not making any effort to challenge them.

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I agree. I think there is a huge shadowing of Diana throughout by PH - tells me he is still enmeshed and stuck in unresolved trauma.

This would explain his exaggerated and disproportionate emotional and rigid behavioural perceptions and responses to situations.

He is literally in “fight” and “flight” on a loop.

I also think that his psyche has merged Megan and his mother and he is subconsciously replaying his trauma with the hope of changing the outcome - he is positioning himself as a “Hero” and the “White Knight” dashing in to save his “damsel in distress”. I think MM senses this vulnerability and plays to it.

I think that their love is based on a trauma bond and their self pitying (some of it justified), lack of resilience and their emotional incontinence will alienate and isolate them from the powerful people that they wish to be associated with but may endear them to others.

DysonSpheres · 15/12/2022 14:02

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 13:33

Because he only surrounds himself with others who will morris back to him
his own narrative and perspective. He has developed seriously maladaptive schemas, to be expected given his childhood. They impact how he perceives the world and situations.

Everyone has schemas, but when you have experienced trauma you can develop maladaptive ones which can become problematic as they distort your perception of the world and leave you feeling very afraid and vulnerable and like the world is a very dangerous place for you.

It is very possible, with therapy, to challenge and change those schemas, but Harry only surrounds himself with people who reinforce his schemas. He see the world as a dangerous place, where he and his wife are persecuted and at risk. Anyone who challenges that view is cut off and rejected. He only tolerates people around who reinforce those beliefs.

It is incredibly harmful, for him
and his relationships with others. But I don’t see that he’s at all aware of his schemas (not getting the right sort of therapy - it would be covered in trauma therapy) - if he is aware he is certainly not making any effort to challenge them.

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Excellent analysis.

Ohnonevermind · 15/12/2022 14:05

The director Liz Garbus was the one editing the queens speech, I’d nearly join Twitter to ask her why she did it, how would her partner Rory Kennedy feel if people started editing RKJ’s speeches to push a different message.

its pretty low !

The other pair don’t seem to care either

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 15/12/2022 14:05

I'm on episode 5 now.

I was thinking about the positives. Meghan is a strikingly beautiful woman. The part about her feeling low (suicidal?) was serious and very difficult to watch. Her work with Grenville survivors' community was good, as was Harry's Sentabale work. Makes me think it'd be interesting to hear about the Royal's work in general - Invictus Games, Prince's Trust, DofE etc. And what do Anne, Edward, Catherine, Camilla etc. champion? In a informative way though, not a fluff piece.

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2022 14:08

Ohnonevermind · 15/12/2022 14:05

The director Liz Garbus was the one editing the queens speech, I’d nearly join Twitter to ask her why she did it, how would her partner Rory Kennedy feel if people started editing RKJ’s speeches to push a different message.

its pretty low !

The other pair don’t seem to care either

Really? She did it?
I'm surprised no one has challenged her with this! .
Although I believe most Americans will be able to google tha actual speech , I'm sure they would not just believe the spin when pointed out?

Ohnonevermind · 15/12/2022 14:09

@jeffgoldblum

shes the director, she’s the one with the final okay

MoirasSaggyBundles · 15/12/2022 14:12

Ohnonevermind · 15/12/2022 13:44

You’ve got to laugh at how Harry had ‘outgrown the U.K.’

He's not yet outgrown the dummy he likes to spit out constantly.

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2022 14:13

@Ohnonevermind , I'm surprised there isn't more outrage about this to be honest!
To me it's absolutely disgusting and disrespectful, not only to the queen but to th U.K. as well!
Imagine the outrage if other high profile people's speeches were edited in this fashion?
MLK ? JFK?
The outrage would be immense!

AutumnCrow · 15/12/2022 14:19

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 13:33

Because he only surrounds himself with others who will morris back to him
his own narrative and perspective. He has developed seriously maladaptive schemas, to be expected given his childhood. They impact how he perceives the world and situations.

Everyone has schemas, but when you have experienced trauma you can develop maladaptive ones which can become problematic as they distort your perception of the world and leave you feeling very afraid and vulnerable and like the world is a very dangerous place for you.

It is very possible, with therapy, to challenge and change those schemas, but Harry only surrounds himself with people who reinforce his schemas. He see the world as a dangerous place, where he and his wife are persecuted and at risk. Anyone who challenges that view is cut off and rejected. He only tolerates people around who reinforce those beliefs.

It is incredibly harmful, for him
and his relationships with others. But I don’t see that he’s at all aware of his schemas (not getting the right sort of therapy - it would be covered in trauma therapy) - if he is aware he is certainly not making any effort to challenge them.

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That's what I'm seeing as well.

In Meghan he found somebody finally who was prepared to slot into it all and 'be Diana' so he could live out his oedipal re-enactment. I hope to goodness that M is safe given how Harry's story needs to end. 'They won't stop until she is dead'. Gives me the creeps actually. I think he's very ill.

mnenomic · 15/12/2022 14:19

Harry said his wife reminds him of his mother. He's now also said that Archie reminds him of Meghan and Lilibet reminds him of Diana. Harry is seeing Diana in every member of his family - that does not seem psychologically healthy.

electricmoccasins · 15/12/2022 14:20

Lesserspottedmama · 15/12/2022 10:29

I have started to think they seriously were deluded to the point where they really thought they could supplant W&K. I think H&M thought they’d pulled such an amazing ace card by H marrying an American with some black heritage who is so much more unbelievably exotic and glamorous and beautiful than anybody else who has ever set foot in Britain that it was a sure thing that they would electrify the country and we’d all be so adoring and in their thrall that all of the RF would be fawning at their feet and saying that it absolutely made sense for them to knock everyone else off the top spot. It may seem absurd but when you are super rich and living your life in a cosseted privileged bubbled surrounded by people who are paid to be flattering and complimentary then it can massively warp your perspective on reality. It’s patently - embarrassingly - obvious the pair have little to no self awareness and are seeing things and themselves through a very different lens to the rest of the world.

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I think they thought at some point it would be decided that W&K would be King and Queen of Great Britain, and that H&M would be de facto King and Queen of the Commonwealth…

Nanny0gg · 15/12/2022 14:20

ancientgran · 15/12/2022 13:25

Andrew's daughters are his biggest allies in the RF aren't they? If they are he isn't likely to attack their dad is he.

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In what way can he attack him?

Andrew's never been prosecuted and he paid off Virginia Giuffre. So surely anything he says will be hearsay and tittle-tattle unless Andrew ever admitted anything in private.

bakalava · 15/12/2022 14:20

Lilibet looks a lot more like Auntie Samantha.

FlyingNorth · 15/12/2022 14:22

After settling into her seat, Meghan claims the head of the plane crew knelt down next to her and gave her some encouraging words.

She explained: 'He took his hat off and I just remember looking at him.

'And he goes, "we appreciate everything you did for our country.

Deluded. I cannot begin to believe this is true, especially as in episode 1 she yet again wheeled out the debunked claim that she had singlehandedly got Proctor & Gamble to change a national ad campaign.

mnenomic · 15/12/2022 14:24

Who records and shares, worldwide, baby scans, crying, zoom calls with their mum, snogging, texts with their dad, video diaries, lots more snogging, crying, private and stressful family meetings? Now and again, yes, maybe. But why would you endlessly record and play these private, intimate moments - hoarding up a library of your life - to be deployed in sensational, Netflix fashion? It's just so self-intrusive.

MarshaMelrose · 15/12/2022 14:24

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 15/12/2022 14:05

I'm on episode 5 now.

I was thinking about the positives. Meghan is a strikingly beautiful woman. The part about her feeling low (suicidal?) was serious and very difficult to watch. Her work with Grenville survivors' community was good, as was Harry's Sentabale work. Makes me think it'd be interesting to hear about the Royal's work in general - Invictus Games, Prince's Trust, DofE etc. And what do Anne, Edward, Catherine, Camilla etc. champion? In a informative way though, not a fluff piece.

There was a great programme on Charles's work shortly after the Queens death. It was actually quite impressive.

Nanny0gg · 15/12/2022 14:26

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 15/12/2022 14:05

I'm on episode 5 now.

I was thinking about the positives. Meghan is a strikingly beautiful woman. The part about her feeling low (suicidal?) was serious and very difficult to watch. Her work with Grenville survivors' community was good, as was Harry's Sentabale work. Makes me think it'd be interesting to hear about the Royal's work in general - Invictus Games, Prince's Trust, DofE etc. And what do Anne, Edward, Catherine, Camilla etc. champion? In a informative way though, not a fluff piece.

Well. Off the top of my head, Camilla - osteoporosis awareness and DV help. Catherine - Children and education/health in early years. Edward has taken over DofE awards.

diddl · 15/12/2022 14:27

So HM told Harry that she would meet him & then HM told him that no,she was busy & hadn't realised?

So what is he trying to imply here??

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 14:28

He’s implying that the Queen was happy to meet him, but an advisor/private secretary/whoever, decided it wasn’t a good idea so made sure her diary was ‘busy’.

GloomyDarkness · 15/12/2022 14:28

I think they thought at some point it would be decided that W&K would be King and Queen of Great Britain, and that H&M would be de facto King and Queen of the Commonwealth…

Would explain why her wedding veil had Commonwealth emblems all over it.

Though they seem to have upset the most recent country to join with their comments about the Commonwealth,