Are Netflix secretly playing Harry and Meghan?

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H&M think they are dictating the Netflix narrative, but I wonder if Netflix are actually playing a longer game? This was billed as their story, but they are so tone deaf and are exposing themselves to ridicule with their ham fisted attempts to justify their behaviour. It's so full of ridiculous unsubstantiated statements and generalisations with no evidence to back it up. It's using stock photographs of photographers that have nothing to do with them. Why not show real photographers? A ridiculous car chase with a lone photographer on a moped provoking panic and faux fear in the couple is laughable. And as for Harry's face as Meghan takes the piss out of the queen? This was definitely seen by the editors who chose to leave it in.

Will Netflix get a double helping from this series with the candy-floss fluff that's the first airing, with a second being the dissection of this sad and deluded pair?

I find the idea of curtseying awful, I find the institution of the monarchy awful and think it should be scrapped, but the idea that Harry and Meghan are a pair of rebels, tearing down the powerful is ridiculous. They wanted to be half-in, half-out; all the privileges of royalty and the opportunity to monetize their position by becoming billionaire influencers (unearned millions wasn't enough). They're not only dependent on the monarchy for their income stream and fame, they love all the deference and status and inherited privilege. They're just pissed off they weren't allowed to keep all the good bits while binning off all the boring bits.

The Queen wasn't her grandmother. I think most people going to meet someone important (royalty or not) would check out the protocol. I'm thinking of when I met the Archbishop of Canterbury at a work thing, I'm not CofE so I checked with someone who was CofE if there was anything I should or shouldn't do. That seemed like commonsense to me.

From HistoricEngland.

Caesar Shaw
Caesar Shaw was an African enslaved to the Spencer family in the 18th century. He was baptized in Northampton and was owned by John Spencer. Caesar Shaw is featured in two portraits at Althorp House, Northampton NN7 4HQ.

Spencer wealth came from slavery as well but he obviously wants to ignore that.

is that the same Spence family? As previous poster states they made their money from sheep farming

I don’t think it’s just the boring bits they want to get rid of, I think it’s the racist, misogynistic, intrusive threatening and abusive bits.

I think the first talent, the most important talent, that liars should possess, is a good memory.

For example, your engagement over a chicken dinner, then it's outside and finally, although it was a huge surprise, a friend was on standby to film it.

The second thing is to be bright enough not to tell lies that can be contradicted and disproved.

For example, it is silly to tell a lie that The Archbishop will disprove a couple of days later. It is silly to tell lies when there are too many who know the truth.

It is silly to tell lies when there is ocular proof that will contradict you.

If you are a numbty, then a career as a liar is not for you. They have chosen the wrong career.

They are both numb. However, Megan scores over Harry because she is hard faced enough to brazen it out. If she were able to couple this talent with a good memory and selecting lies that couldn't be disproved, then she would be on to a winner.

Sadly, her lack of these talents mean that she has bared her arse in the window of John Lewis.

Well that was exactly what I thought she was doing.

Harry says he’s doing this for his kids, for when they are older, so they know that he didn’t just do nothing.

I am surprised H&M don’t see how some of this stuff comes across as so vulgar, such as the engagement recordings, sharing the story of the queen first meeting/curtsying, suggesting W&K are little more than an arranged marriage, sharing so many intimate details of their lives etc etc.

Re the curtsy, I think he did recognise in that moment that it would be perceived as her taking the piss. It was uncomfortable to watch.

AngelaBrazilNuts a hard faced brazen post!

I just can’t get past her recording herself calling her friend to say he’s proposing. Making the call yes. Recording it? Why? For what purpose?

To eventually make money from it somehow is the only thing I can think. And then how on earth has she got that past ‘H’ when she brought it out for the documentary. Has that not made him think at all??!!

She was saying she didn’t know anything about the monarchy.

Which I find odd, she said the same thing in the OW interview. She researched Harry before she met him, surely she would have been a bit curious about the family she was about to meet.

Surely Harry thought to tell her, but from what he said he appeared to be embarrassed by this.

p.s. I still stand by and say she is a very mediocre actress. Watching the Netflix documentary is more bearable than one of her films, and I have tried.

They met online. She admits that she looked him up straight away. I can tell you that she moved at a speed which suggests that she found out everything that has ever been posted about him and his background.

She claims that the photo of her with a dog filter attracted him initially. I reckon that is another lie which is not even possible to disprove. She does not look great in it. It was more likely to be one of the sexy, staged shoots she specialized in during her 'acting career'.

I haven't watched the documentary, and don't read the papers, but have been unable to avoid reading about it all over the internet.

I really don't know what to make of these two, they are a study in contradiction and the curtsy clip just underlines that for me. I cannot get my head around, and I don't understand how anyone can believe, all the "I didn't know who Harry was/I didn't know anything about the royal family" etc.

I mean when any of us meet someone, surely part of the initial getting-to-know-them process is asking questions about themselves and their family? And when M learnt a bit about who H was, surely the next step for her was to Google the royal family? She can't have gone home after their first date and thought "Well he was nice. Fancy his dad being next in line for the throne and his grandma being Queen!" and thought or done no more about it!

Presumably most of us aren't in relationships with celebrities or royalty, but she was, and if for no other reason than interest, she would've looked him up. And looking him up would've led to infinite articles about royals and royal life etc. You'd do that sort of basic research for a job interview, never mind meeting the Queen.

So even if she only had 20 minutes notice of meeting the queen (which I think is questionable), she would've had at the very least a rudimentary knowledge of royal rules and protocol.

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Probably get a few bob from John Lewis for that too…

@CuordiMela765 Prior to the mock bow she was saying it was like something out of a medieval banquet, (I think the ones you pay to eat at and have 'wenches' serving, and which I was one back in the day??!) and her 'pleased to meet you, your majesty' was said with mockery. As an American she didn't understand the dynamics of the RF, and why should she. I would also hate the overbearing formality and want to get away, which is what they should have done.

I quite agree with her that the monarchy needs updating, but that couldn't happen until the queen died. I hope now Charles sweeps away a lot of these old traditions. FWIW I haven't read a newspaper in years.

Totally agree, Meghan didn't like the institution. So why ask to be half in and half out? Unless you deny that was what she wanted? She clearly wanted the good bits (protection, fame, meeting world leaders, junkets at the taxpayers expense), but not standing in the rain in Watford opening a childrens centre. The other half would have been the life they now live with A list celebrities, red carpets and high level politics. Not getting what she wanted resulted in the toys out of pram display we are now getting.

Of course the dynamic between them came across fine. Its a rose tinted Netflix documentary. And this is my point, naive people, including the couple, see this bit of candyfloss as a romeo and juliet love story, when the reality is Netflix have left in the bits that commonsense (and the couple) would have edited out, such as the curtsy. Just because you don't see mockery thousands worldwide, do.

This.

So why did they ask to be half in and half out? 50% of racist and mysogynistic abuse is 50% less painful?

I am not a fan of Harry and Meghan but I also think they have been very gullible and Netflix is taking advantage of this. How can Harry say women in the monarchy are bring thrown to the wolves with the press - but then he is doing the same to Kate. There are so many ways this ‘documentary’ is making Harry look like a hypercritic.
If they wanted to ‘tell their story’ in a ‘documentary’ they would use a credible documentary producer not a movie maker. Netflix is playing on Meghan wanting to be famous and Harry’s desire to protect and love Meghan in the way he could not protect and love his mum.
On a very basic level if this couple is comfortable staring private family information with the world - what right minded celeb is going to be good friends with them incase they decide to share private details about them with the world.
I think Harry and Meghan could have made their millions in a less car crash way.

@AngelaBrazilNuts I am laughing my brazil nuts off at you post 😂

@ittakes2 I agree, its so so sad. Harry especially is not going to come out of this well. His airport scene is awful, and he looks shellshocked. The 'chased on a moped by the paps) scene in the car shows how paranoid he is. I think he really will have a breakdown at some point. He needs to get away from the media circus, not court it.

I think it came across as self indulgent drivel

For example, your engagement over a chicken dinner, then it's outside and finally, although it was a huge surprise, a friend was on standby to film it.

Nope, chicken definitely got a mention in both stories, sorry! Also most people have some sort of an inkling when a proposal might be a likely possibility. And a friend wasn't there filming it either.

Do you see liars everywhere? You must be constantly combing through people's anecdotes for inconsistencies!

They wanted out of the Faustian pact with the media and the leaky palaces. They wanted to not be dependent on the sovereign grant. To not be completely at the mercy of an institution which does have these issues, certainly.

Yep, going exactly the same way as his mother did. Which is why I think stripping him on his titles etc may actually do him a favour.

Gosh! To think that I am the only one who can work out their lies while everyone else believes them!

What a talent I have! To think no-one else has seen this but me-I feel truly gifted.

Apologies for pointing out the fact that they lie when everyone else believes them. You have made me feel like a real Christmas Grinch!

So sorry, of course they don't lie-they are merely...inconsistent!

Although I suppose in my own defence, when the Queen and the Archbishop of Canterbury contradicts them, you can see how I have allowed myself to be misled which has led me, in turn, to misleading others.

On the other hand, though, they have lied...a lot!