Can we now agree the press coverage about MM was racist?

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Only comment if you've seen the Harry and Meghan documentary because only in that programme did I become aware of the headlines.

If you've seen this programme specifically the images of some of the headlines and STILL don't think some of the press coverage was racist then quite frankly you're part of the problem.

I quote, she has 'exotic DNA', Harry marries a ''gangstar' and 'she is from Crenshaw where they have xxx crime rates last year' (she wasn't even from Crenshaw), 'straight outta Compton'

Seriously, do you seriously think this would have been said about a blonde hair blue eyed women?

For the record, I'm not a H&M fan at all - you don't have to like them to see that the headlines were racist, why can't brits just admit and agree on this?

Well... as eminent psychologists in the US have looked into this sort of thing.. I suppose they were subscribing to THEIR belief system too as opposed to looking at the long term effects of learning racist behaviour in the early years.

This is nothing about MY ideas. It was just a thought and obviously you don't think anything looking at the cause and effect of racism is worthwhile. Well done for you knocking any sort of meaningful discussion on H&M threads back

I liked her and was excited by her joining the BRF until I sat down and watched the engagement interview. The doe eyed gazes at Harry, so affected and screaming acting. I couldn't get past ten minutes

That tells me all I need to know.

She is culturally different in many ways... and you never gave her a chance did you? Were you one of those posters posting on the vile threads put up just before and after they were engaged?

You dismissed her because of 'doe eyed gazes'. Rightio
Personally I prefer to give people a chance.

Stop projecting your poisonous ideas around race onto everyone else

what poisonous ideas?

No idea what you're on about.

Perhaps posters would like to read my measured and thoughtful idea about Kate and early years posted at 12.28 and form their own opinions.

The press are awful and racist ... she is awful as well though, as is Harry. No one is covering themselves in glory if they wanted a quiet life why are they behaving in such an awful way

That's a really unpleasant response. Why on earth do you feel so passionately about a hugely privileged woman who literally doesn't know you exist? So passionately that you feel justified in being quite nasty to others?

I keep seeing people saying that MM is calling Britain racist, my recollection is that she hasn’t . Had she done so my response likely would have been ‘no shit Sherlock’ . Many will say how dare I say that. I dare to do so following 50+ years of being a black mixed race British woman in this country.

I do so having experienced and continuing to experience my own children live this too

My 7 year old already understanding the micro aggressions of having her hair touched to single her out as other. Also having it being described as like a mop ti clean a floor with. ( and oh how the woman who did this cried that she wasn’t being racists and her fellow friends and colleagues sought to back her up and dismiss the very idea she is racist)

Knowing that a mumsnet thread asking at what age peoples kids were when they had the ‘Talk’ meant something so so different to the talk I was imagining ( sons especially on how to react when not if stopped by police)

Am I then surprised that so much of the tabloid media expressed this racism. No ! Obviously they also believe they have an audience to whom it is acceptable.

People have said on numerous threads how tolerant we are as a country. Excuse me I reject any notion that I and my children should somehow be tolerated.

What MM experienced and continues to do so at the hands of MSM is not explained away by her actions or words. That is not to say she is perfect but just that she is human, yet it seems she is not allowed to make errors and anything she says and does must be twisted by the media to suit their own agenda.

I found the post I was responding to quite unpleasant actually. Why do you feel so full of dislike for a woman who literally doesn't know you exist?

My post only quoted back what the poster had said and as she said she dismissed her after watching 10 mins of the engagement interview because of 'doe eyed gazes' I asked if she was on those threads that were popping up everywhere at that time.

Great post Angiedx

Yes, great post Angiedx 👏👏👏

I was very supportive at first.
I have no idea what Crompton is, or Crenshaw and I do not remember seeing those headlines at all.
Most of the papers were very supportive, and there were huge crowds supporting them at their wedding.
Problems seemed to start when they themselves turned aginst the press, and then the interview.
I am not a fan of these kind of public interviews of famiy problems, whether it is Diana, Charles or Harry & Meghan. I read somewhere that Diana and Charles had reached a more amicable relationship before she died, but what we always have is her Panorama interview. There is no room for changing family dinamics or circumstaces etc.

"The headline references the 1988 song "Straight Outta Compton", the debut record by the American gangsta rap hip hop group N.W.A.[3] The city of Compton in southern Los Angeles County, California, was historically associated with gang violence.[4] Compton is located 14 miles from Crenshaw, the area profiled in the article.[5] A separate article by the British tabloid the Daily Star had a headline querying whether Harry would "marry into gangster royalty?".[6]

Perhaps google what Compton is and Crenshaw is and because you didn't see those headlines doesn't mean they didn't happen!

That is why I specifically said in my OP no point in commenting unless you have seen the documentary therefore seen the headlines I'm referring to

The daily mail article straight out of Compton is still
available online. The comment section if you read them is actually very critical of the daily mail and supportive of Meghan. The tone of the article is obviously racist however in some ways is perhaps kinder to Meghan then some of the stuff written about her now.

Uppity - self important, arrogant, not staying within one’s defined place in society

clearly it could be meant in a racist way but also is used for describe someone who steps out of their class

the uk simply doesn't have the social divisions just based on race that the USA has, this isn’t saying the uk isn’t racist - it is in so many ways but the social divisions used to discriminate against people are historically drawn on class not race. This is probably because there just weren’t enough people of other races in the uk historically for them to fufill the role of the downtrodden masses, so the uk people had to discriminate against people with the same skin colour as there own. So uppity would mean a person who was stepping out of their class role and speaking out. Definitely used against women speaking against there masters expect in the UK both master and worker historically were white. Again not because the UK is great and no one here is racist but because class boundaries and divisions are more important than racial ones.

Megan could be called uppity because she’s black and the person saying it thinks that black people are not good enough to be royals or it could be because she’s a non-u women who has opinions on those judged to be her social betters on the class scale.

however I think that Carole Middleton could also easily be referred to as “uppity” - someone from a lower social class pretending to be royal

its not MMs race that makes the royals look down on her, it’s her class. Not that that makes the behaviour any better. The thing is unless your royalty then you will always be social climbing by marrying royalty- being considered to be getting above your station is going to be par for the course. Had she been non white but from an equal social class - e.g a Saudi princess (ignore the religion problem for a mo) then her being “uppity” wouldn’t have been a problem

Tbf if you Google 'uppity' it does explain clearly why it is racist.

Yes there was some racist press coverage but the vast majority of the coverage was not racist and was in fact very positive and welcoming.

You're obviously on the wind up with that statement.

Obviously not

Yeah it’s racist. It has a long history of being used in a racist manner. I’d not be using the word.

Those headlines were so obviously racist.
Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or a liar

Some posters have explained why these headlines were racists.

Perhaps posters would like to read my measured and thoughtful idea about Kate and early years posted at 12.28 and form their own opinions.

What's this got to do with Kate?

Racism within the RF? What indeed

I think we can probably agree that M&H left the RF and the UK for California not because of racism but because they were unwilling to accept not being centre stage here (Spare), and wanted to be free to capitalise financially on their RF associations in any way they saw fit.

No. Can't agree on that.