Am shocked Meghan said this…

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She said: 'Even when Will and Kate came over and I was meeting her for the first time I remember I was in ripped jeans, I was bare foot, like I was a hugger, I have always been a hugger I didn't realise that is really jarring for a lot of Brits.'

'I started to understand that the formality on the outside carried through on the inside, that there is a forward facing way of being and then you close the door and thing OK we can relax now, but that formality carries over on both sides and that was surprising to me.'

What an utterly horrible thing to say about your sister and brother-in-law. I am done with her now. People are DIFFERENT Meghan. We are not all like you you you you.

I think if you're genuinely "shocked" at a story about how someone's first meeting with their in-laws was a bit awkward, I've no idea how you have survived on MN for more than an hour without imploding.

Really, it came across as her being salty towards Kate for not going in for a big girly hug when they first met. So Kate had her guard up, who cares? She was right in the end wasn't she?!

And the way the anecdote was overlaid with footage of Kate and William attending a public event in very formal dress, as if that's what they would have been wearing when they met Meghan for the first time was quite funny too.

William called her Kate in their engagement interview. It was only after they married that the RF puppet masters decided the plebs should call her Catherine.

Isn't meeting your future in laws always a slightly more formal affair? Can people really not understand why members of the royal family might be slightly less relaxed around their brothers new girlfriend from America who is an actress and might not be with said brother forever (at the early stages you never know) and who might eventually sell stories about them? Trust is earned, not just given

Maybe it came across as her ‘being salty’ to you. But regardless, the actual quote doesn’t say she thinks Kate was wrong or that everyone should be a hugger or that she is superior. So the poster who insisted that is simply wrong. Same as the one who went on about her ‘smirking’ while talking about curtsying. To those of us who don’t have an irrational hatred of this woman she was simply telling stories of her own experiences and how she felt awkward in certain situations. But viewed through the lens of burning hatred/obsession with the royal family’s superiority, she is suddenly smirking and salty and implying that everyone is evil etc.

And tbh I’m not really making it up. That one situation never happened

Seems to me this is as bad as the MM frothers 🤷‍♀️

Theres enough reality to squabble over without adding in conjecture.

He did and he does still call her Kate. I bet the family do too.

Also, keeping things a bit formal behind closed doors isn't just a Royal thing.

My sister in law and her husband are very posh (the husband is actually seriously posh, my sister in law not so much ), and we never 'relax' with them and their kids. At all times there is an air of formality, even their relaxation is kind of controlled, so that it takes place in an acceptable way. Its excruciating sometimes and we are not close, but it's just how it is.

And I don't know why Meghan thought that Kate and William, on meeting her for the first time, would be really informal with her? They didn't know her, therefore didn't know if they could trust her (ahem), and probably were on guard a bit.

Kate is hardly going to be picking her nose and scratching her arse while scrolling through Mumsnet in front of Meghan is she?!

I was talking about a real situation. I made a little joke that Meghan could do anything and it would be misconstrued, but my post was originally about a poster insisting that Meghan was saying Kate should change and it’s wrong blah blah when in this instance that isn’t what’s happened.

I also don't really see why she mentions the ripped jeans and bare feet. I could understand it if they were old jeans, worn through at the knee, but "proper" ripped jeans have been around for ages (mentioned in a Jilly Cooper book from 2016 ).
I'm sure Kate knows enough about fashion to know that, even if she wasn't wearing them herself. Lots of people have bare feet at home. I bet they were beautifully pedicured.

On the surface, it does look like she's being self-deprecating - "Silly me, I was too casual and friendly" - but it definitely gives the unspoken impression that W&K were formal and frosty. People have said she's very bright and a good communicator, and that does seem to me a good way of undermining W&K if that's how it was meant and it's easy to deny that's how she meant it.
Maybe she didn't mean it like that, but in that case she isn't as sensitive and clever about communicating as some people (including Meghan maybe) think.

It's quite possible that neither W nor K even noticed what she was wearing because none of it sounds that remarkable.

Kate is hardly going to be picking her nose and scratching her arse while scrolling through Mumsnet in front of Meghan is she?!
Are those the only two options? Royal formality, or picking your nose?

@beachcitygirl no they don't, although I stand corrected that her friends did call her Kate at uni. Her family call her Catherine though, in any interview theyv done which isn't a lot, they've called her Catherine

It wasn’t a joke, it was building up one side against another using imagined scenario to cement superiority.

Whatever. Enjoy your internet mind games.

On the surface, it does look like she's being self-deprecating - "Silly me, I was too casual and friendly" - but it definitely gives the unspoken impression that W&K were formal and frosty. People have said she's very bright and a good communicator, and that does seem to me a good way of undermining W&K if that's how it was meant and it's easy to deny that's how she meant it.

That's exactly what she meant, she hid it terribly!

Internet mind games? Gosh I feel like Meghan. Surely I’m smirking as I type this out too…

Just before anyone twists that into me saying Meghan plays internet mind games, I was actually referring to people’s insistence that every bland thing she says and does is somehow a master manipulator move.

Must admit I raised my eyebrows at this bit as it seemed like a clear swipe at the in laws. Can't say I blame her for feeling a bit weird about their behaviour, if indeed they are very formal behind closed doors.

What the actual.....

No, it's simply a case of some of us think she was just taking the piss out of herself in not knowing how to curtsey and the formality of it all. It must've been very alien to her. And some posters think she is a master manipulator who was dragging down the Queen or whatever. That's basically it

Well, i was clearly embellshing a little but Meghan didn't say that they were 'royally formal' did she? Not wanting to go in for a hug with someone you have never met before is not being 'Royally Formal'.

All this 'silly little me, I was just trying to be friendly towards that snobby uptight bitch I just didn't realise....' just sounds a bit manipulative.

We don't really know what happened that day, and we will certainly never find out from Kate and William (as Meghan and Harry well know!)

On the surface, it does look like she's being self-deprecating - "Silly me, I was too casual and friendly" - but it definitely gives the unspoken impression that W&K were formal and frosty. People have said she's very bright and a good communicator, and that does seem to me a good way of undermining W&K if that's how it was meant and it's easy to deny that's how she meant it.
Maybe she didn't mean it like that, but in that case she isn't as sensitive and clever about communicating as some people (including Meghan maybe) think.

Or maybe you're overthinking it? She's talking about how they approach things differently, there's no inherent criticism in that. It's just her speaking about her experience and her feeling that she'd got the tone a bit wrong. She seems like the kind of person who is eager to get things right.

Even when Will and Kate came over and I was meeting her for the first time I remember I was in ripped jeans, I was barefoot

Disdain for the women (Queen, Kate), disdain for low-ranking men (her own husband, her father), but not for high-ranking men (W, Charles). Is there a pattern developing? Own opinion and all that, obviously.

Or maybe you're overthinking it?

Maybe. I don't think so, or I wouldn't have written that, I suppose.

She seems like the kind of person who is eager to get things right.

Yes, I'm expect she generally pays a lot of attention to getting things right.

I’d love to know how much editorial input they had. I think an anecdote you tell after a few hours of chatting sounds very different when it’s presented in isolation as if it’s deeply significant. I’m not sure I believe it was intended to be an attack.

My personal view is that neither Meghan nor Harry is very bright - the word soup on their website (which they at least approve if they don’t write it themselves) is often nonsense and The Bench was pretty excruciating as writing goes. I don’t believe they’re masterminds of a cunning plan. I think Meghan in particular doesn’t like being told what to do, or edited, or contradicted, so she gets defensive if someone suggests she got something wrong. And Harry genuinely adores her, so he thinks she can do no wrong too. He’s sacrificed a huge amount for her so that makes their bond even stronger, and good luck to them - let them go and be happy somewhere. But the constant negativity is really wearing. This whole series is an ego stroke for both of them and pretty worthless as documentaries go.

Maybe C was guarded because every time she meets someone (in her private life) for the first time, she has to consider that her behaviour may be sold to the highest bidder to be picked apart.

Obviously most of the people in their circle know that it's a really shitty thing to do, but royals, or anyone famous, have to consider that one day they might just meet someone for whom their behaviour behind closed doors has a price. C has been lucky in a way that it took nearly 20 years before she was in the company of the type of person that would sell her privacy, but maybe she's a good judge of character.

but royals, or anyone famous, have to consider that one day they might just meet someone for whom their behaviour behind closed doors has a price

You are not kidding!