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oakleaffy · 05/12/2022 22:00

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 05/12/2022 21:30

All this psychoanalysis of Harry is giving the situation too much credit, if the Queen had agreed to the half in half out measure, i.e just the glamorous bits of royal life plus being able monetising themselves in America the pair would be happy as Larry, this is just revenge because they didn’t get their own way, it’s no deeper than that.

I think you could be right. But that (to me) doesn't explain why Harry has willingly thrown away his relationships with brother, father, most cousins etc. for Megan. I'm fascinated by what he gets from his relationship with Megan that makes all that destruction worthwhile.

There is a crude term to describe why he was suckered in-
“C&nt struck”
That is the reason an ex Forces bloke gave .
Can’t see any other reason .

No other woman wanted to marry him, either.
Meghan appears very dominant and Harry very weak.

Readinginthesun · 05/12/2022 22:03

LadyVictoriaSponge · 05/12/2022 20:58

All this psychoanalysis of Harry is giving the situation too much credit, if the Queen had agreed to the half in half out measure, i.e just the glamorous bits of royal life plus being able monetising themselves in America the pair would be happy as Larry, this is just revenge because they didn’t get their own way, it’s no deeper than that.

I think that is a very good point . There was no mention of leaving until The Queen said no .

Pickawindow · 05/12/2022 22:04

Also if the recent debacle at Camilla's event at the palace was anything to go by, when the 83 yr old courtier was asked to step down, there needs to be a major clearout of the Old Guard. It just seems like there are too many people who are completely out of touch with contemporary British society and could have made some bad calls regarding Harry and Meghan.

It was an unwise call by Charles to ask her to stay on after his mother died. How could he think an 83 yr old upper class woman who was one of the Queen's best friends would be suitable for interacting with the public in his behalf in 2022?

Readinginthesun · 05/12/2022 22:05

Jennybeans401 · 05/12/2022 21:26

Bitterness over his secondary role in the family, being the 'spare' (ridiculous term), oodles of cash and a strong willed woman who seems to be pushing him down this path.

I don't hate Meghan, I think she should have continued acting like the Queen suggested. Meghan started having problems when she started trying to be Kate.

Maybe she had no other acting jobs in the pipeline ? Given that she was pushing 40 and wasn’t exactly Julia Roberts , it’s hard to imagine where she would have gone after Suits .

LadyVictoriaSponge · 05/12/2022 22:06

The reality is by the time May comes around Charles will be crowned King and this will be distance white noise. The Crown always plays the long game and because of it it usually always wins.

Agree, the Palace just needs to hold its nerve and this will be old news fast, things blow up massively then burn out very quickly, look at the Lady Hussey headlines, it’s gone quiet now, the Oprah interview exploded but nothing actually happened, nothing changed. Harry and Meghan have now gone nuclear, but they have made a massive mis step, for maximum destruction they should have released the Netflix show in April, by the time the Coronation comes round it will literally be last years news. If Harry and Meghan have issues now how will they cope when they have no weapons left to hurl at the Royal family? At the moment they are in a war with the Royals but if no fire comes back and you have run out of ammunition yourself what the hell do you do?

BeanieTeen · 05/12/2022 22:06

He's swapped the bonkers life of the royal family to the bonkers life of american celebrity.

I think that sums it up well. I’m no royalist but I can see at least that despite the insane privilege being a royal offers, I think it does come with a sense of duty to others and an obligation to ‘give something back’ - whether that’s in proportion to what they’re getting is always debatable of course. But it’s certainly not a one way street.
American celebrity is just full blown self indulgence on a monumental scale. I think the fact that they’ve so eagerly dived into this culture says a lot about them both.

healthadvice123 · 05/12/2022 22:11

So why keep the titles then if he hates all it stands for ?

Redwineandroses · 05/12/2022 22:12

BeanieTeen · 05/12/2022 22:06

He's swapped the bonkers life of the royal family to the bonkers life of american celebrity.

I think that sums it up well. I’m no royalist but I can see at least that despite the insane privilege being a royal offers, I think it does come with a sense of duty to others and an obligation to ‘give something back’ - whether that’s in proportion to what they’re getting is always debatable of course. But it’s certainly not a one way street.
American celebrity is just full blown self indulgence on a monumental scale. I think the fact that they’ve so eagerly dived into this culture says a lot about them both.

I agree. There were plenty of other places, much more peaceful and discreet, than the USA. Especially L.A!

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 05/12/2022 22:12

Classic “I’m not a royalist” (think it should be abolished!). But… H&M don’t appeal
to me either. They did want half in… he never named the racist mentioned in the Oprah interview… he WAS racist (P word anyone?! Does anyone care about that!!! UGH!!!).

They cling to those titles without any working royal roles… it’s pretty pathetic.

Definitely assumed they’d be different when they first joined forces, defended them until recently when I just get moaning fatigued. At best they’re more of the same. Except H seems like a total arse. What grown adult can’t get his partner medical support, grow the fuck up. They’re not qualified to do any helpful jobs, it’s cringeworthy. I’m younger than them… like have some self respect.

marvellousmaple · 05/12/2022 22:13

Harry was always my favourite, but now the y seem to be a pair of spoiled brats.

Pickawindow · 05/12/2022 22:16

@oakleaffy lets also be honest Meghan is much brighter than Harry, she went to a very good university in Chicago while Harry scraped through a couple of A levels. She is relatively self-made after getting a strong start with a good education. She had been independent for about 15 yrs before she met Harry and had made her own way and choices, while he was carefully sheltered.

At the beginning of a marriage its important to have space and time to bond and solidify your relationship. They had non stop pressure and drama with Archie being born quite quickly. I know it was their own choice to "hit the ground running" but that was probably a mistake. Maybe it would have been better to have almost NO royal duties for a couple of years.

oakleaffy · 05/12/2022 22:16

healthadvice123 · 05/12/2022 22:11

So why keep the titles then if he hates all it stands for ?

Because he - and she- need them for “ Kudos”
That’s what’s so sick-
They whinge and bitch about the RF , but cling to those
“Titles” / Tidles as Harry now calls them .,like dog poo clings to a shoe.

Georgeskitchen · 05/12/2022 22:18

All this "heir and spare" stuff is bullshit. Harry has known since day one he wouldn't be King and why would anyone want to be. Williams life has been far more restricted and structured than Harry's, Harry has been able to do more or less what he wanted all his life. What's not to like about that? Why is he so bitter?
Her Majesty's other grandchildren who have no real relevance or role in the "Firm" have managed to quietly carve out lives for themselves, although they have had cushy lives, they don't receive any money from the tax payers, and don't cause any trouble to the family ( despite the behaviour of certain parents) looking at you Andrew and Fergie. Although Fergie seems to have calmed herself down and matured in later years.
Harry could also have done this but I can't picture Meghan being happy with a quiet life on a ranch in Canada out of the limelight!!

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 05/12/2022 22:20

Well he must be so glad he’s not the spare anymore…. God willing he’s not the spare ever again. That ships sailed dude. Book should be called “no longer even the spare’s spare spare”!!!

Newwardrobe · 05/12/2022 22:22

heldinadream · 05/12/2022 19:25

Well he was and is younger than W and probably inherently less confident. The earlier you lose a parent the worse it affects you, generally. W was on the cusp of adulthood. H was still a boy. Many reasons why it would have affected him worse.

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William was 15 when his mother died, I'd say that's miles away from being on the cusp of adulthood.

Winterscomingagain · 05/12/2022 22:22

eddiemairswife · 05/12/2022 19:38

I think he's a miserable so-and-so. He made his decision to live in America; he has plenty of money ,so he doesn't need to do this Netflix thing. What he needs is a purpose in life; something where he has to get up in the morning each day and go and do a worthwhile job.

Combine that with the fact he's not terribly bright and I think that's what it's all about.

EsmaCannonball · 05/12/2022 22:24

It's a bit rich moaning about the royal family being a hierarchy when he (still not giving up any of his titles or inherited privileges) has benefitted from being at the pinnacle of class hierarchy all of his life. People are drowning in worries at the moment and Harry comes along to tell everyone how hard it was to be sixth in line to the throne instead of second or third. He's clearly a man who grabbed all the advantages of the institution of monarchy but,when he was told he couldn't keep them and ditch the few dull, unglamorous responsibilities involved, decided to spend the rest of his life monetising his tantrum.

WokeIntoChristmas · 05/12/2022 22:28

What has actually happened for him to turn on them?

Toxic pillow talk. I think Meghan has turned him against them. That said, I think "The Firm" is pretty awful too. He left a controlling environment, for an equally controlling marriage.

EsmaCannonball · 05/12/2022 22:34

I also think there should be a rule that the media scrutiny of a famous person should be directly proportionate to the amount of time, effort and money that person spends on public relations. On that basis, the media should actually examine Harry even more, but instead of treating him like a fluffy, tabloid celebrity they should challenge him in the same way they would a campaigning politician with an agenda. Stop softballing him and ask him a few hard questions.

giggly · 05/12/2022 22:36

Absolutely this. All this hatred towards Megan and people chose to forget his history.

giggly · 05/12/2022 22:37

heldinadream · 05/12/2022 19:10

Well you know his vulnerable mother died arguably because his father married her under false pretences, never loved her, had an affair all their married life, and all with the total approval of his family because the firm was more important than dispensable individuals. Then he had to walk behind her coffin on TV. Etc etc. He obviously adored his mother and she him.

What would you feel towards your family in those circs?

That was in response to this

Tropicaliyes · 05/12/2022 22:41

I don’t think it’s that hard to understand, It has already come out that they tried to have a private relationship before the RF even knew about them being an item but then as soon as they found out instead of them giving him the benefit of a doubt, they tried to convince him to leave her.. As anyone will know, if you get into a relationship and spend time with that person and know they are what you want, you will be prepared for such comments and statements and would be more reluctant to call it quits when the people trying to convince you have no good reasoning for the break up.

I don’t think Megan knew what she was getting herself into when she got with Harry but I don’t think she thought she would be marrying the family and assumed it would be as simple as any other relationship. I think it was a very naive move and she should have fully educated herself on the royal family and their history and what they stand for because if she did she would have known this wouldn’t be easy at all!

Unlike William, he fell into place and went with a woman that was groomed to potentially go into the royal family. She also fit the bill of what they deem acceptable to be allowing into the royal family whereas Megan was not groomed to be a royal, she is not white, she is not British and they don’t know her besides her being a celebrity (which is also not a good thing in their eyes). I think the dangers they have both faced together has been a big reminder of his mother Diana being a commoner and never truly being accepted into the royal family. If Diana didn’t leave the royal family of her own doing, then the RF would have made sure one way or another she wouldn’t be there and they got what they wanted. This is just like Megan, if she didn’t give up on him, they will make her life a living hell regardless if it involves Harry or not because after all the hierarchy is more important than one royal going rouge.

I never had respect for the RF and when I saw Megan planning to get with Harry I first thought she didn’t know what she was getting herself in for, but I actually have a little more respect for Harry now seeing that he actually stood up for his wife, will protect his family at all costs and is trying to go it separate from his past. I think it’s stupid as soon as Megan went into the royal family she was no longer allowed to act anymore, taking away the independence she built for herself as they took away Harry’s however I do think if they are serious about leaving they need to make that split and live their own lives, Megan should go back to acting and Harry will have to learn for the first time what it takes to be a normal person with a normal job. Overall I think there are many reasons it has all come to this and I applaud them for all they have done regardless of the set backs but I think it’s time they fully set themselves free without worrying what they will do to them.. they have enough to pay poor their own security now so only time will tell how this will turn out.

EsmaCannonball · 05/12/2022 22:49

FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 05/12/2022 21:44

Who would want to be Royal? Not for all the tea in China.
The turning point I suspect was meeting a woman who pointed out how frankly bonkers the entire thing is.
Good for him feckin off out of it.

I think Meghan pointed out that the money and the fame and the opportunities were great but the bits where you had to spend time visiting retirement homes in Leighton Buzzard and factories in Wolverhampton were not going to help them build a global billion-dollar brand.

Nat6999 · 05/12/2022 22:52

William & Harry never really had chance to grieve properly when Diana was killed, what family tells two young boys that their mother has been killed when they woke up, expects them to go to church a couple of hours later & within days has them suited up to appear in front of cameras to look at flowers laid for her. Charles left them the same day to fly to Paris to accompany her body back to England, at that time she wasn't even his wife, he should have stayed to support his sons & Diana's sisters gone to Paris to see her home. Within a week they were expected & put pressure on to walk behind her coffin with the world's media watching their every move, from what I saw they weren't allowed to show any emotion, at 12 & 15 that must screw you up. The only person Charles has ever shown any true emotion for is Camilla, as both boys have got older they will have learned the truth that he never loved Diana, if he had done she wouldn't have been in Paris & would still be alive. I can understand why Harry hates the institution of the Royal Family & everything it stands for, the Queen & Prince Philip knew & condoned Charles' affair with Camilla & also put pressure on him to marry Diana, they also stopped him marrying Camilla when they were young.

healthadvice123 · 05/12/2022 22:56

@Tropicaliyes most of that is just your assumptions though you have zero proof of most of it
And why keep the titles ?