Does Harry dislike his family?

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Just with the Oprah interview, this new Netflix thing and then his book that is coming out soon.

Anyone would think he dislikes his own family. What has actually happened for him to turn on them?

Front page of the BBC app earlier. Sandwiched between stories of untold misery and genuine need for press coverage - him whining.

When are they going to read the room and either do something useful or F off and let the grown ups get on with it?

I will be watching the documentary and reading Spare. But after this what will they have to sell? Will they have any more interesting stories to tell? I doubt it.

There only "in" these passed few years has been their relationship with The Queen but she's gone. Charles and William have kept them at arms length knowing anything they say will be used against them.

The reality is by the time May comes around Charles will be crowned King and this will be distance white noise. The Crown always plays the long game and because of it it usually always wins.

Bitterness over his secondary role in the family, being the 'spare' (ridiculous term), oodles of cash and a strong willed woman who seems to be pushing him down this path.

I don't hate Meghan, I think she should have continued acting like the Queen suggested. Meghan started having problems when she started trying to be Kate.

I'm not so sure if it's desperation for attention or the only means they have of making money-or the amount of money that they need for the lifestyle that they want.

Will they have any more interesting stories to tell?

Have they told any yet?

@NimrodNimroy I'm not sure it's as benign as that. They are weakening the monarchy, chipping away at it.

They have every right to their opinion but it galls me seeing a brother thow his brother under the bus. William must feel so betrayed.

Front page of the BBC app earlier. Sandwiched between stories of untold misery and genuine need for press coverage - him whining.

I agree! Ridiculous behaviour.

All this psychoanalysis of Harry is giving the situation too much credit, if the Queen had agreed to the half in half out measure, i.e just the glamorous bits of royal life plus being able monetising themselves in America the pair would be happy as Larry, this is just revenge because they didn’t get their own way, it’s no deeper than that.

I think you could be right. But that (to me) doesn't explain why Harry has willingly thrown away his relationships with brother, father, most cousins etc. for Megan. I'm fascinated by what he gets from his relationship with Megan that makes all that destruction worthwhile.

The thing is there is therapy and there is therapy. It can be a struggle to open up and trust someone and I can only imagine how much harder it is if you are Royal and that whatever you disclose is potentially worth millions in the wrong hands.

I can also imagine Harry and Meghan's post therapy sessions. but you don't have to do that H, I have a better suggestion...

And finally William might not be much older than Harry, but perhaps there's enough of an age difference for him to be more realistic about who their mother really was - to understand her as a human with passions and flaws and not as an icon on a pedestal.

Just musings... I do find it sad that the brothers were once so close. It's probably the relationship failure that had had the most devastating impact on Harry.

I think he sees through the bullshit. This is not to say he is completely innocent though. I think he too reeks of privilege. I think he has spent his whole life in the shadows of his brother. I think he then marries someone who is mixed race and I think MM was not received well because of this. The RF are racist and extremely sensitive to who is in and who is out. I think H fell in love and I think given his history combined with seeing how horrid they were to his wife, was enough. Estrangement does not happen easily and those that decide to walk away or distance themselves, reflects an extremely difficult decision. Regardless of who he is - he wouldn't have done this without just cause.

I think threads like this and the tabloid papers are all part of the problem. Speculation upon speculation and then some speculation on top of that. It seems abusive to me to bring any child into our royal family because if the parents don't eff them up, the constant media scrutiny will. You live under a constant lens, were thousands of photos will be taken until they get a resting bitch face moment to fit their narrative, and see how your family survives. Yet thousands of people who proclaim to "love the royal family" will buy the tabloid, by the gossip books, post on fora about what they have read, seen or "heard" so feeding the whole bloody mess.

Fair point but until a few years ago, he was seen supporting Camila and father. He didnt have to. He never confronted his father and even attended his wedding to a woman who was a source of grief for Diana.

It almost looks like he is using his mother to build his case now, which is very sad. Where was the rage agaist family until 3 years ago? A year ago he was complaining his father cut him off financially. Now that his relationship is strained with his father, sudednly he wants to avenge unfairness to his mother.

BelanaConhamHarter great post and screenshot.

Diana was still a teenager and Charles well into his 30s when they got together. She was very damaged. He used her and spat her out.

Who would want to be Royal? Not for all the tea in China.
The turning point I suspect was meeting a woman who pointed out how frankly bonkers the entire thing is.
Good for him feckin off out of it.

I'm not sure what other choice Harry had. He wanted to juggle being a Royal with earning his own money, the family said NO, it's all or nothing, probably in the full expectation that he would buckle down and give it "all". When he chose "nothing" they were livid and cut him off. After that what did he have to actually lose?

He's not trained for anything other than military which he can't do. What else is he supposed to do? Start an organic farm like his father did? (Using a Royal title for, mind you, how successful would the "Duchy of Cornwall" be without the Royal name?) His wife is an actress and all their friends are in media and show business. What other choices did he have?

The Royal Firm has far more to lose than do Harry and Meghan, they've already lost so much, not a lot else to lose (apart from money). In a war in the trenches the Firm would suffer serious harm.

He's swapped the bonkers life of the royal family to the bonkers life of american celebrity.

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@Tipsyturvychocolatemonster - I don't think that's true at all. They didn't know each other well but they'd met more than twice.

Although we're all speculating because of their actions. If they had faded into the distance then we wouldn't still be discussing them.

Fair point but why suddenly people are saying this is because RF didnt treat his mother well. He had no peoblem with Camila and Charles until 3 years ago. He atteded their wedding, there are photos of them laughing.

Also, Queen was the head of RF not william and Kate, so if the whole institution is racist, queen had more responsibility than these two. But H&M were very fond of her makes no sense that they loved the head of the institution they call racist and horrible to women but then show junior members who didnt have much decision power in negative light. So I dont think Harry's motive is as simple as problem with Racism or sexism in RF, he is personally vindictive to his brother and his wife, who may not be supportive to his wife but didn't have the power over staff and protocols.

That's kind of the point though isn't it?

They haven't fecked off out of it....they keep coming back for another poke.

They could just bugger off and live their lives quietly, without any interviews or books or anything.
Fade into obscurity.

But for some reason it's constant " and another thing" interviews, books or whatever.

Estrangement does not happen easily and those that decide to walk away or distance themselves, reflects an extremely difficult decision. Regardless of who he is - he wouldn't have done this without just cause.

He'd spoken of walking away for years. He spoke on Williams and his own behalf when he said they'd never work as hard as his grandmother and father did. They'd be doing it a different way. The problem was he couldn't find a role anywhere else nor anyone to go with him. Harry really isn't strong enough to do it on his own.
Remember he didn't want to be estranged from his family. He wanted to still work in the RF, he expected that his father would carry on funding him so he had not intended to be estranged. But his family, after spending a lifetime of covering up for his behaviour, said no. That must have been hard to hear because he wasn't used to not having people to ease his passage through.
Most of us don't grow up with such wealth and privilege so we've learnt the word no and to have an understanding of standing on your own two feet. For him it must have felt like a slap in the face. Maybe that was his just cause, that finally people told him no.

I guess it’s for the money at the end of the day. Because of the rift wasn’t there then the books/TV series/interviews/podcasts wouldn’t sell so well. Meghan isn’t going to get many well paid acting gigs, she’s not very good, and Harry is ex-military/ ex-royal with few transferable skills it seems. I don’t think he put much thought into what he was going to do with himself after leaving the UK. Sadly he doesn’t have much of a buzzing personality either so reality tv will probably be a bit of a misfire to boot.
If they had to write down their profession right now, what would they put??
I’m also not sure it’s so much Harry disliking them as them disliking him at this point. So he may as well milk it for what it’s worth.

@Usernamesarboring

I think the delay reflects the fact that this like this take time to be realised. He is now an adult, he is now outside. He can now look in and reflect and I think he's angry. I think he may be justified.