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Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

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PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 03/12/2022 23:02

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

  1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.
  1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
  2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

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User12453315 · 04/12/2022 08:30

Wow amazed this thread is still standing! MN must have changed management entirely and that's not a bad thing. Two years ago, even comments about Meghan's outfits were deleted for being "racist".

The trailer on Youtube has a ridiculous amount of dislikes (viewable through a plugin). Yesterday it was at 17K likes and 100K+ dislikes. Netflix must be hitting the roof.

Mummyoflittledragon · 04/12/2022 08:32

pinkstripeycat · 04/12/2022 08:22

PincessofWellies · Today 00:22
Harry was only 12 when his mother died, whereas William was a little older and consequently could process the loss better.

This is absolute rubbish.william has agreed with Harry in camera and said he struggled massively too.

My DS2 is the age William was when Diana died. I wouldn’t say he’d be able to process my death any easier than when he was 12. He’s at a vulnerable age and still needs his mum. He wouldn’t cope and I could see him going off the rails.

I was thinking about this on reading the incorrect comments that Harry was 15. As someone, who was about William’s age when I lost a parent and having a 14 yo myself now, 12 would have been far more difficult imo. My dd has matured and developed emotionally a great deal over the past 2 years. 11-12 is what I called the headless chicken year, when dd’s brain was rewiring. Boys hit puberty younger and Harry didn’t appear to have hit puberty when his mum died and was thus still a little boy.

Samcro · 04/12/2022 08:33

well what a change , a thread bashing Meghan, thats never happened on mn before!!!
I really don't get the obsessive hate for her.
just because H has been racist in the past, does not give the RF a pass.

BorisisaLune · 04/12/2022 08:33

Mummyoflittledragon · 04/12/2022 08:24

It was widely publicised a few days before the Queen’s death that Harry had refused to visit his grandmother even though he was in the U.K. More recently, there was an article claiming he repeatedly called HMQ about money. As a result she asked KC to take Harry’s calls to sort it out, he refused stating he is not a bank.

I don’t think H&M are all good or all bad and I can well understand from their world view why they have been deeply upset.

What I cannot understand is how there are still people, who think they have done nothing wrong and had zero part to play in the way the situation is panning out.

Quite frankly, you ve no idea if any of that is true, just because you read it on FB or the Times, doesn't make it so.

MM is extremely wealthy in her own right.

the Royals have form on shutting out women who don't fit in.

loislovesstewie · 04/12/2022 08:34

I had a great deal of sympathy for both William and Harry because my mum died when I was 11. My mum was clearly not famous and we were able to grieve in private, so there was a huge difference in that aspect. The point is that we just have to get on with life and not blame all of our subsequent difficulties on that sadness. And Harry has admitted that he received counselling but apparently didn't know where to turn when his wife felt depressed /suicidal which seems unlikely. Either unlikely or he is just another useless man.

AngelicaElizaAndPeggy · 04/12/2022 08:38

But if H&M didn't exist, you wouldn't be able to spew pages of nonsense all over mumsnet every day. How would you all fill your time?

Coldhouseflowers · 04/12/2022 08:41

Yes the stakes are high especially in light of the cool 100 million dollar Netflix deal, all that money and still whinging. The way they treated the queen was awful !

AngelicaElizaAndPeggy · 04/12/2022 08:41

User12453315 · 04/12/2022 08:30

Wow amazed this thread is still standing! MN must have changed management entirely and that's not a bad thing. Two years ago, even comments about Meghan's outfits were deleted for being "racist".

The trailer on Youtube has a ridiculous amount of dislikes (viewable through a plugin). Yesterday it was at 17K likes and 100K+ dislikes. Netflix must be hitting the roof.

Netflix will be super happy because they know that all of you lot will be watching every single episode and then frothing all about it on mumsnet for months. They hardly need to publicise it at all - it's easy money for them.

RoachPussy · 04/12/2022 08:44

LondonWolf · 04/12/2022 07:14

And yet you're doing exactly that by responding to this thread aren't you?

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I’m intrigued by their haters. How people can have such hatred for a young family whose choices have no impact on your lives (unless of course you’re in actuality part of the RF) no strong opinions either way about Harry & Meghan or the rest of the RF, haven’t read any H&M articles or watched any interviews. I don’t understand why, if someone annoys you that much you would actively follow their every move.

InSummertime · 04/12/2022 08:46

TrashyPanda · 04/12/2022 07:32

Harry was 19, it was almost two decades ago and he has apologised

no, he hasn’t.

there was a statement put out. Big difference. A third party statement versus publically owning up to his vile racism.

he has never personally apologised for his racism

He has never ever personally discussed it - wonder if he does in his book or blame others? Everything he didn’t do right he blamed his mental health, his mother’s death, his upbringing but never ever himself.
His wife says she was suicidal and he says he had therapy for ten years before that (and then says he didn’t) but surely he could of picked up the phone to the GP for her or the yellow pages -if she didn’t feel able. Wealth of contacts, no issue with waiting lists etc money no object and they both say help wasn’t available.

He has never apologised for cheating in his art exam
either or acknowledged it - although it did happen and has been factually recorded as that.

All of them are so out of touch and that goes for William and Kate too.

The RF needs to go in it’s entirely. It’s tone deaf but everything it says and does and that is the PR on both sides constantly in full onslaught fight mode.

They add nothing, they are all parasites.

I welcomed Meghan as a public figure I thought she would make Harry grow up and liked she made him allegedly give up shooting etc and be open to causes. Let’s face it cutting a ribbon and opening a supermarket in Leeds is not exciting.

MistletoeandBaileys · 04/12/2022 08:48

William was only about 2/3 years older than Harry when Diana died. I don’t think anyone could say they could process a death like that any better than anyone.

Those boys were both left without a mother. There was a documentary a few years back (all on YouTube and I can’t for the life of me remember the name of it) but it said that Diana relied on William as a sort of confidante which if true is an awful lot to put on a young boys shoulders.

We won’t ever know Williams true inner feelings on his mothers death. Or if he struggled greatly in different areas because of it. (I’m sure he has)

What I’ve never liked about the whole thing is how Harry seemed to monetise his mothers death. It felt so disrespectful.

But I will add that if we think the media circus around Harry and Meghan is bad now, wait until the divorce. And I fully believe they will divorce. Even in the media and US the focus is on Meghan. Not Harry.

I think Meghan is Happy, I think Harry is miserable, grumpy, and deeply unsure of where his life is going. Surely he must know that he has cut himself off from the family?

Also the coronation is happening in May on Archie’s birthday. Will they even be there?

They do the Netflix thing and the book, what’s left? They will have said everything that can be said. The only reason they are getting any kind of interest from Netflix and Spotify is because of the Royal Family.

PeaceJoySleep · 04/12/2022 08:51

They spend their 200 million dollars 😵

Nottodaty · 04/12/2022 08:56

I’m not a royalist. Can’t see the point of the royal family, the system is very outdated. I don’t know them to use the words like dislike.

But for two people who wanted privacy they really like to keep the press interested. I also don’t get the our side of the story I’ve only seem to hear their side. (Oprah, Netflix)

But no one should have their life threatened & not be given the protection needed. And Meghan has experienced racism then it should have been used as a learning opportunity.

3peassuit · 04/12/2022 08:57

I remember Harry’s comments to the comedian Stephen K. Amos. I don’t recall him apologising for it.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 04/12/2022 08:58

What are these high stakes referred to in the trailer?

The only risk I can see is that H&M might slip into obscurity. Which would be nice.

XanaduKira · 04/12/2022 09:03

Diverseopinions · 04/12/2022 07:34

I wondered too, what Meghan meant when she said words to the effect of: 'When the stakes are so high, doesn't it make sense to hear our story from us?'

What stakes? She is unconsciously revealing the fact that she thinks she is playing in some high profile poker game with the Royal Family. Her statement, dressed up as a question, makes me think that she likes to dramatise herself, and this is what I don't like about her conduct. People of integrity do what they have to do and say what they need to say, and then ignore the surrounding commentary, because they have a more important path in life to focus upon, and they know that the furore surrounding them is temporary, will shift, will die down.

For Meghan, the furore surrounding her is the whole point. She has no actual aim or purpose aside. As a previous poster says, she is not an expert in anything. I don't want to hear her views. There is a very simple way of supporting the good causes which she holds dear, and that is to get rid of her 14 million dollar mansion, with more bedrooms to heat and clean than four people need, and give their surplus earnings and inheritance to the needy. I despise her self-indulgent/ self-aggrandisising lifestyle choice. She needs spacious grounds for privacy, but if she didn't keep herself and Harry in the public eye, she wouldn't have such great security needs. I despise people who flaunt and indulge their wealth in that way, especially when their means of sustaining it are tenuous, as they have no solid foundation of expertise on which to comfortably rest their earning power. Their acumen is almost entirely dependent on their popular appeal.

I think that some people have very good skills for using the media to earn a living. Katie Price is one such British individual who seems to keep her profile in the public eye. The Kardashians make money out of their appeal - but then they also sell products - make up and clothes - which people want to buy. If Meghan brought out a lip gloss that was good, I'd buy it, and would have no objection to her keeping herself as the brand. She looks good and has a universal kind of appeal and can present different styles of beauty very well. I don't want 'victim of the Royal Family' to be the brand, because this detracts from genuine victims.

I don't want to hear what she has to say about service and kindness, and because she is clearly unkind to her father and to the Princess of Wales, and she defies all her stances on the environment with everything she believed in, including the enormous scale of the upkeep needed on her home and her private jetting. Even publishing 'Spare' most of cost a good few trees their lives. She isn't channelling any original initiatives for saving the environment, because she isn't really tuned in that way, and so I'm minded to think the stance is just hyperbole.

It also looks like she is trying to pull down the British Royal Family, which for all sorts of Constitutional reasons, I think is worth keeping. I like the formal way that King Charles and government advisors hauled the whole splendid pageant and machinery of the monarchy into operation for the visit of the South African President. I felt that that performance, which is like the icing on the fruit cake of diplomacy, created good links with African trade partners, and showed an appropriate respect for that country's leader. I think Meghan and Harry f*** up their chance to do something for constructive relationships with the South African people, by, on their visit, moaning about POOR LITTLE US, and failing to be subdued into respectful silent by meeting with teenage girls who are learning self defence skills to escape from would-be racists.

Simple for me, sell the multi- million dollar California residence and give what you don't need to that particular South African women's right project, and I will think again and view the couple with fresh eyes again.

Very well said - completely agree.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/12/2022 09:13

3peassuit · 04/12/2022 08:57

I remember Harry’s comments to the comedian Stephen K. Amos. I don’t recall him apologising for it.

hadn't heard of this so googled it

A comedian has said he was told by Prince Harry: "You don't sound like a black chap."

Shock

heavens

the Lady Hussey debacle really brought home to me what MM will have suffered dealing with the Royal Family. And as we've seen on this thread, when you are feeling attacked, it's very easy to let that then make you behave like a total dick

Morestrangethings · 04/12/2022 09:17

Coldhouseflowers · 04/12/2022 08:41

Yes the stakes are high especially in light of the cool 100 million dollar Netflix deal, all that money and still whinging. The way they treated the queen was awful !

Having a son that associated with Jeffrey Edelsten and Ghislaine Maxwell was awful. Another son who was mates with Jimmy Seville was awful. Anything after that would have been just meh.

MrsFinkelstein · 04/12/2022 09:21

Ivyonafence · 03/12/2022 23:42

Just curious, what good would it do for Megan to go on record condemning something Harry did when he was a teenager and has already apologised for? How would that even work? Would she make an instagram post or what?

She'd be ripped to shreds and accused of attention seeking and throwing Harry under the bus.

The woman can't win no matter what she does.

Just to clarify here - he was an older teen when he dressed up as a Nazi, he was an adult and in the army when he had the 2 (3?) separate incidents of racism and was disciplined for all. He never (as far as I'm aware) personally apologised but had a spokesperson release a statement.
He's never personally discussed it.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/12/2022 09:30

it's pretty clear to me that the whole royal family INCLUDING HARRY is massively racist in a way that the vast majority of the British public just aren't. I can't think of anyone I know who would use the words Harry used about his colleague, or who would do the fucking shameful 'no, where are you really from' bullshit to a fellow British citizen

which is why getting lectured on racism by Harry is a bit annoying. if it wasn't happening to his family, he'd be one of the ones perpetrating it.

Ivyonafence · 04/12/2022 09:31

@slowquickstep
'I am sure if Andrew wrote a book or filmed a show bitching and whining there would be dozens of threads about him. He hasn't but they have, so we will talk about them'

Um Andrew did do a bitching and moaning interview, remember?

Bitching and moaning that his pedophile global crime ring leader friend was actually a really nice chap to him.

At least he didn't show Oprah around a chicken coup or talk about how mental health is important. now that would be sinister.

sashagabadon · 04/12/2022 09:35

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 04/12/2022 08:58

What are these high stakes referred to in the trailer?

The only risk I can see is that H&M might slip into obscurity. Which would be nice.

It’s high stakes for m and h but I’m not convinced the stakes are high for anyone else.
as a pp said I am not interested in their version of events anymore. I know it already. I lived through the last 4-5 years.
I am very very interested in the royal families version of events however but know I will never hear it

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PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 04/12/2022 09:38

A comedian has said he was told by Prince Harry: "You don't sound like a black chap."

He has never acknowledged any of it. Even if he said something like:

'I've been on a learning curve myself around the issue of racism over the years, and I'm really glad that people supported me in that. I hope to support my family and those around them and the general public in the same way with my work now.'

It would be more genuine, instead of the current sense that he is beyond all reproach and anyone who dares mention anything is simply racist.

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MeowwandAnder · 04/12/2022 09:40

@MrsFinkelstein

I agree. I think if I was going to make any kind of criticism, it would be this. You cannot accuse others of being racist without addressing your past.

I do think the racism debate surrounding Harry/Meghan/monarchy is a good thing - and I do applaud that it’s been highlighted.

I’m trying to understand the ‘he was younger, it’s in the past etc’ view - but it would never been acceptable to use those terms, or dress up that way : it was probably the sort of language/views he was growing up around.

So yes highlight the issue - but also address that you’re own mistakes - before you accuse others.