Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

Harry wasn't merely biased. He was a typical thick, insular racist - only an unusually wealthy one.

Racism is inherently the application of ignorance. Harry is not bright and I think his racist and disablist language and behaviour, shows he is just not intelligent or empathetic enough to work out the wrongness himself.

To call anyone ever, a racial slur shows arrogence and lack of insight. Kindness, consideration and care for others is inherent and not something that needs 'awakening'. Me and my 10 yo yesterday (teachers strikes) went ice skating and his penguin was in the way of some people. He leaped up and moved it as they approached. I never 'taught' him consideration like this, he just knows it.

Harry's talk of his previous unconscious bias and poor behaviour, and how he is now 'woke' to it, is just window dressing his and meghans brand.

Yes, he is appalled when then person/people he cares about is/are affected. It didn't occur to him before that it was offensive. I hope that he is now able to apply the principle to people he doesn't know. But tbh I doubt it if he wasn't able to understand, as an adult, that calling someone a p*i and rag**h, was racist.

@mixedrecycling well how odd you changed your position so quickly. This is what you just said:

*mixedrecycling · Yesterday 16:28
The thing is, he would have far more credibility if he said he accepted it at the time, because he hadn't realised the implications.

Just as he would have far more credibility if he addressed the recordings of him using the P word and rag*h by admitting he was at fault, and had learnt from them.

It could be very powerful to hear him accept responsibility and explain that he had become more aware once someone he loved experienced racism. And that he had since understood the wider ramifications of phone tapping, which has made him want to take a stand.*

So because he had already done this, suddenly you change your mind. Got it.

I don't think its in any way possible that a 21 year old resident of the UK would not know that the word "paki" is a highly offensive rascist slur.

Even my grandmother wouldn't use that term in the 1950s!

Yes, reinvent yourself by all means but do not minimise your past actions and behaviour.

Of course he knew it was wrong at the time.

Sorry, have horrendous toothache and am not thinking clearly.

But the p*i and r**d comments were AFTER the dressing up in Nazi costume - which is what he has 'addressed' (by blaming others for encouraging him). Apparently he spoke to the Chief Rabbi (no-one more junior would do) and went to Berlin to speak to a Holocaust survivor (because it wouldn't be authentic enough to speak to a UK survivor? DD's school had a local Holocaust survivor speak to them last year).

To be fair, about the same time as his 'fun' outfit there was a popular Sing-a-long-a Sound of Music, and a worrying number of people found it fun to dress up as Nazis.

But whatever he did (was made to do?) after the Nazi uniform (with the 'men in grey suits' issuing an apology), he still made racist comments afterwards. And has only become an anti-racist 'activist' when he complains about the racism his wife has experienced. The racism he has inflicted is waved away as 'unconscious bias'.

He hasn't addressed the p*i and rag**d comments - after the Nazi uniform incident - in any of his interviews, as I understand it?

Exactly.

Own up to your mistakes, don't minimise them but reinvent yourself as a beacon of anti-racism

That is the problem - the way they appear Holier than Thou when they are certainly not perfect.

He’s a zealot.

He knows he was a racist, and therefore presumes everyone else is, and it’s down to him to show the world ‘the light’.

A bit like ex smokers are the worst about smoking, but with a global scale.

@mixedrecycling hope it’s better soon, awful pain x

Thanks @Samcro some work I had done a few weeks ago that would 'settle down' - of course, now we have a bank holiday weekend it has settled into unremitting pain....

Or some vegans 😂I had an exBF who said, quite seriously, that he did consider himself morally superior to people who eat meat. Didn't stop him cheating on me, though tbf it was with someone who was a least vegetarian, unlike me 😂

Most people who dish out racism are not intellectually complex with multiple layers of consciousness creating a unique crescendo. They are simple, like Harry. His stance is not credible, especially given the number of times he was racist.

It wasn't just against Asians either. Anybody who hung out at Mahiki back in the day would remember hearing his over enthusiastic attempts at singing loudly and mockingly with exaggerated movements and facial expressions when music from Afro Caribbean artists went on. Not just as a one-off either, it went on for years. I'm not saying that he wasn't one of several doing it but nobody else has become preachy and tried to erase their past.

Some people who defend him day after day would be aghast if they saw that footage. It was not an unconscious act, put it that way.

I don’t think either of them really give a fig about racism.

Harry behaves like he is still a teenager - knows it all, cannot be wrong and now he has just woken up to himself decides he is the one to save everyone from themselves. He is just a man child who has a lot of growing up to do and desperately needs to broaden his outlook on the world and keep his mouth shut.

Meghan I believe has her own agenda - she is the real 'Camilla'. She has tried to be the new Diana, failed, and claims it is because every single one of us is racist.

I don’t think either of them really give a fig about racism.

Is that right? You don’t think Meghan cares about a man in the media comparing her child to a chimpanzee? You don’t think she cares her mother gets called the N word on the street? Right.

and claims it is because every single one of us is racist.

Neither of them have ever claimed this. What an imagination you have.

You don't think mixed race women who had a black mother and mixed race children doesn't give a fig about racism🤔
Interesting🙄

Sums the pair up lol 😂

No I don’t - why must I repeat myself. I don’t think they genuinely care about anything outside themselves. And I don’t believe a word they say- which is their own fault as they have told so many lies.

Gross. It’s one thing to not like them, but to say either but especially Meghan doesn’t care about racism is just wrong. So fucking wrong.

That my opinion and I am entitled to it. They are a couple of virtue signallers - look at Harry jetting in for 24 hours and yet he is supposed to be an environmentalist who preaches about the evils of air travel. You couldn’t make it up. This is the same Harry who reportedly said of Chelsey - ‘ don’t worry, she’s not black or anything’. Not the kind of person an anti racist would be attracted to.