Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

Oh fgs, what did he say about Tom P-B, whom I have chatted with on Twitter and who seems a nice chap?

What exactly do you want to happen? What can MNHQ do about the fact that Harry and Meghan do ill-advised things and people talk about it?

Do you want every to ban single poster that happens to think these two are a bit of twats from posting?

If it upsets you so much, they maybe have a lay down in a darkened room and lay off the SM.

How is it possible, for instance, that I get "reported" for challenging a, on its face, untruthful and racist statement about Doria, but the poster making it is allowed to change names within the same thread, and to tell me she is ignoring me, while being on a thread I started, and then corral others into troll hunting me on a thread I started?

Someone said the other day that MN have updated things so that people can’t change names on the same thread. I’ve been slyly, indirectly accused of being another poster on one of these royal threads. Are you sure it’s the same person you think it is? Also, I’m sure MN don’t just remove posts because someone reports them if there is nothing wrong with the post.

Yes, the saintly souls who defend M&H as a public service do like to throw out accusations of name changing...

For the rest, are you basically asking MN for a 'safe space' on the Royal Family board in which to fangirl over Meghan Markle without debate or opposition

That's exactly what is being asked for! Why? There are, I believe, fan sites - use those maybe? And leave MN for a variety of opinions. Not everyone who dislikes that pair are haterz; racists; bullies or readers of tabloids.

This is me! So, setting the record straight.
I said that both Doria and Thomas had made mistakes. Doria appeared to be absent for a big chunk of her childhood living in another state, while Thomas paid private schooling and was very loving towards her. I then said, now Thomas is being a total dick about everything, and Doria has stepped up and become a supportive mother and grandmother. Apparently thats racist.

This post was categorically not racist and was not deleted. So this isn't true.

Changing my name... I was purpledalmation, and I was accused of being part of a clique of royalists (which I'm not) because we all had purple in our username. I pointed out that it was quite random and even posted a picture of my phone cover with a purple dalmatian as that and that alone was my inspiration. So I was virtually bullied into changing my name.

When I got thoroughly fed up with MrsD and several others bullying me on the thread, I simply posted I would no longer engage with them (and their nonsense).

Convincing other posters into thinking they were trolls? Like I'm Voldermort? Other posters can make up there own minds.

So basically MrsD can spout a load of one sided nonsense about me, which has been repeated by yourself as though it were true. Nothing against you, but my first H was a narcissist and his MO was to say things as though they were facts, so I can see this bullshit a mile off. If MN wants to check my username and the reasons it was changed, there's a load of posts corraling me into doing so!

FWIW. My name keeps flipping back and forth between orangedalmatian and purpledalmatian!

Mumsnet has to decide whether it wants to be yet another corner of the internet that exists to spew hate on Meghan Markle. Is @MNHQ happy to see these threads to morph into a version of the SaintMeghanMarkle Reddit site? Because it is pretty clear a lot of posters are getting their talking points and memes from there and bringing them here

Just a point on this particular paragraph, did we not have someone on this board not 48 hours ago spew a load of cut and paste vile comments about Kate Middleton courtesy of Celebitchy and also kindly provided a link to said Celebitchy page?

There was no disguising where that poster had been getting their talking points from and kindly bringing them here.

So I was virtually bullied into changing my name.

No you weren't. I was on the thread. No one bullied you. You chose to change your name and seemed quite amused by it all. Smiley faces from you and saying you were happy to change.

And just for the record you accused posters of being paid bots and were deleted for that. Remember?

What a load of old bollocks. It wouldn't be a leap to see this entire latter exchange to be a handy distraction from the point of the thread. I can't think of another corner of MN dedicated entirely to fandom!

Yes. And I reported it twice to have it removed. And it was.

I look forward to the day Harry publicly criticises his uncle Andrew! 😂

With all the RF that come before Harry - why do you look forward to him in particular. First why not his parents when they were alive? They didn't so they in fact sent a clear message that they supported his disgusting behaviour. Why not Charles as the king and eldest sibling. Or the other 2 siblings? Why not Will as the eldest yeh heir ? Why not Anne's children? I wonder why you bypass the obvious and go for Harry with the excuse that he wants them to do the same for him, his situation is not comparable with Andrew's behaviour however much you think your convincing yourself they are the same .

But there is a lot of name changing - usually from the anti's who sometimes get themselves in a pickle with the different names on one thread! I'm not sure if MN have stopped that, but I noticed this relatively recently.

I also genuinely read it like this. The poster wished a safe space where there was no negativity to fan girl over harry and Meghan. I’ve read it again and that’s absolutely how it reads. Don’t get me wrong, much more dramatic words were used like being drowned in poison but I read it that the poster wished a safe space to fan girl without question.

Mumsnet has to decide whether it wants to be yet another corner of the internet that exists to spew hate on Meghan Markle. Is @MNHQ happy to see these threads to morph into a version of the SaintMeghanMarkle Reddit site? Because it is pretty clear a lot of posters are getting their talking points and memes from there and bringing them here.

Looking at this topic, it seems more to me to be a board where the topics are extremely critical of all aspects of the royal family, the King, the Queen Consort, the coronation, their cost, their role in the constitution an, of course, the actions of the Sussexes. Who by the way have spent a lot of time and money ensuring they have remained very much in the forefront of the public eye since they decided they wanted out more than three years ago now. Spewing hate on all the other topics (by the way, also often misogynistic, based on assumptions made of photos of other members of the royal family, frequently ill-informed and often recycling points from royal hate sites like Celebitchy and Sussex squad posters on twitter) is absolutely fine it seems - just not about Meghan and Harry. I think I spy a double standard…

MNHQ apparently thought it was a good idea of set up this board as there was a great deal of interest around the time of the Prince and Princess of Wales’ wedding. I can’t imagine they foresaw it would become an area of the internet where barely anyone has a positive word to say on any of the topics posted…but here we are!

frequently ill-informed and often recycling points from royal hate sites like Celebitchy and Sussex squad posters on twitter) is absolutely fine it seems

No it's not. Many posters called out that Celebitchy rant and reported it. Very many. Me included. Twice.
Not seen anything from Sussex squad twitter.

Yes. And I reported it twice to have it removed. And it was.

And so did a lot of other people report it, what is your point? I wasn't asking for a 'hands up'.

I'm highlighting that a poster is accusing people who are not fans of M&H of getting their talking points from other sites that she personally feels are not suitable for Mumsnet (I mean who made them judge and jury). The irony in that paragraph being that a link was provided yesterday to Celebitchy by a Harry & Meghan supporter which consisted of a load of vile comments about Kate Middleton. Are you not seeing what might be the issue here?

Because Serenster said linking to shite like that appears to be absolutely fine.

Well, it obviously doesn't. A lot of people reported it.

That's my point and I wasn't replying to you?

Of course I am seeing the issue. Why would I report it if I wasn't. What on earth do you mean. I'll say again, that celebitchy rant was widely called out by lots of posters. And reported. It was horrible. I think for once we all agreed. Apart from the poster who put it up in the first place.

I just glimpsed an article from 'woman and home' online that m&h are planning an amazingly spectacular birthday party for archie which will outshine the coronation.

speechless

You replied to me @ 18.52 and used my quote!! How is that not replying to me?

Anyway, the point is not that you or anyone reported it, the point is MrsD accused posters of bringing over what she felt were unsuitable opinions and material from other sites based on nothing more than her suspicions, I was providing a concrete example of that exact thing happening from a M&H supporter who posted an actual link to Celebitchy.

And it was awful. We're agreed on that. One poster.

Some people are so gullible! Or is it the angle you want to see it from. Do you think they should keep quiet and not celebrate Archie's birthday. Would you? As pointed out before what's a coronation to a 4 and 2 year old - they can catch up on iPlayer.

Or just maybe the publishers are jazz big up the article to draw in readers to click!!!! and then post their bollocks which adds to more hate ...,,,, oh I forgot - that's not what it it.

Woman and home was one of the sites publishing the generic Duchess of Sussex PR release that was just copied and pasted across the parents publications.

Well I didn't click and I didn't read, I just laughed at the ridiculousness of anyone thinking a 4 year old's knees up was going to be more newsworthy than a thousand year old tradition. The magazine for printing it and M&H if they seriously think this (which I don't believe... its just media spin). However, I'll put money on birthday pictures of the oh so private archie, at his party a few days after the coronation. They have form

Hate? What hate? The couple are laugh out loud ridiculous now. The amusement value is priceless, now that people can see through the slick PR