Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

An obsession would be posting over fifty posts a day (like you do). You cannot have a neutral perspective when you are so blindly devoted to the Sussexes and their 'truths'.

Those last few posts since I posted that photo (which nobody has commented on!), can be summed up as “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all” and “don’t believe anything you read in the papers”.

A) with some people it’s difficult to say anything nice. If they kept themselves to themselves, nobody would say anything at all. These two have done interviews (print, video, TV (live and pre-recorded), radio), written a book, issued statements to the press, appeared in their own 6-part TV show, done a series of podcasts and I don’t know what else. I struggle to think of anyone else who’s put themselves up for commentary as much as they have, in Harry’s case before the age of 40, without having anything to promote but themselves. There is no way on God’s green earth that either of them wanted people to watch and listen to and read everything they’ve put out there, and ignore them!

B) If I think something is BS, I see no reason, on an anonymous chat forum invented literally for the purpose of chatting, of keeping my opinion to myself. Others are free to disagree; not my problem or concern if you get hurt by my opinion that what I see is BS.

C) far from the moral superiority underlying all the posts denigrating posters for “bullying” Meghan and Harry, I think it’s morally perverse to be willfully blind to what’s patently obvious to me AND say so again and again and again. So perverse, in fact, that I find it “off” as I said above. MN has defenders of various groupings of people - teachers, in the waaaay early days children with SEN, abused women, for example - sometimes without balance. But the posters are always rooted in personal experience and fact. Literally nobody here actually has any personal experience or facts (I’m assuming!), it’s all just idle chit chat and gossip, whichever side you take. It’s the internet version of a coffee morning encompassing an article in OK! Magazine. There’s no need to be so sanctimonious!

I do find the ‘don’t talk about it if you’re going to say something I disagree with!’ approach puzzling

I enjoyed your very descriptive post @Partyandbullshit

it's all just idle chit chat and gossip

😂exactly! those of us commenting unfavourably about our impressions of Harry and Meghan are 'gossiping'. Those disagreeing with us are doing it as a socially responsible, self-denying duty to 'push back' against 'bullying' 😂when really they are no different to anyone else who posts!

How is it being "blindly devoted" to say I find horrible descriptions about someone you don't know bitchy?

That would mean I'm blindly devoted to all other women

😂exactly! those of us commenting unfavourably about our impressions of Harry and Meghan are 'gossiping'. Those disagreeing with us are doing it as a socially responsible, self-denying duty to 'push back' against 'bullying' 😂when really they are no different to anyone else who posts!

😂😂Nailed it @mixedrecycling

Really? Do point out where i have talked in such disparaging personal terms about anyone

I agree, I think it’s very naive to think you can do so so much selling of negative stories on your family and not have people react negatively to it , have an opinion, or even want to discuss it.

i think if they’d said their piece, say on Oprah , and then moved on to have a career and do something positive it would be very different.

but it’s too much, Oprah, the 6 part series, the book, the multiple interviews about rhe book and the negative and often derogatory commentary made in the interviews, that’s what’s caused the back lash and the distaste folks are feeling.

and yes no one knows what was being discussed on their coronation attendance and yes it’s speculation that they wanted to be positioned highly and the palace was saying no, but it seems hugely unlikely it was the other way about.🤷🏻‍♀️

Are you also @Whaeanui ? You are answering like you are?

You haven't, others have, if you read the thread

Partyandbullshit · Today 11:40
far from the moral superiority underlying all the posts denigrating posters for “bullying” Meghan and Harry, I think it’s morally perverse to be willfully blind to what’s patently obvious to me AND say so again and again and again.

This! A constant amazement that so many women on MN have fallen for, and appear to believe, in all Meghan's superficial charm.
What will you say when she ditches Harry?

Don't worry - they have already set Harry up as the fall guy who duped her into marrying him because nobody else would have him. and his fame and wealth She is now having to clean up his mess and support him quietly because he is the one at war with his family 😆

Here we go.

Throw around unfounded accusations. Why would I be another poster? I've been here nearly 18 years and MN doesn't allow sock puppeting. How I post has always been the same, I can't help it if others agree with me 😅

Do feel free to report to MN and see what they say perhaps, they might find it odd though.

It was a question and you have to admit the post was clearly aimed at the other poster and you responded like it was to you.

And I am sure you would be the first to disassociate yourself from them - looking forward to seeing it!

Sudeko · Today 12:03
Don't worry - they have already set Harry up as the fall guy who duped her into marrying him because nobody else would have him. and his fame and wealth She is now having to clean up his mess and support him quietly because he is the one at war with his family

Eeek! You're ahead of me... Of course that's going to be the story. She can't be such a bad actor when she manages to convince so many, against all the odds.
I hope Harry gets the kids. He may be stupid but he is, I think, a genuine loving father.

Sorry, that was to @Roussette , encouraging them to disassociate themselves with the posters who have talked in disparaging personal terms.

What?

The post was to Roussette. Me. At 11.55. Look back

I answered

I suspect they are both genuine loving parents. I don’t doubt that for a moment.

I don’t see how it can be a happy home though. I can’t see how two people can whinge this much, they’ve literally made a living out of it, and go home and be happy. It has to take its toll and be hugely stressful, especially when they see the public reaction to it. They are seldom even seen in public together any more.

I actually think they are great entertainment value as a duo ever since they launched on NF. It is strange that they put themselves out there to be relevant but they are the only entertainers whom their fans see as being off limits for criticism. If I started a thread about Tom Cruise, there would be no pile-on. I think that they want to be seen as regular entertainers, not royal satellites. That's why they shared all that information about pissing in the woods, Harry's frostbite and Meghan's piles. Why not forget about the fact that Harry is a prince and run with it?

Here you go bamboo

To me

I hope they are happy together, they seem to have cut themselves off from a lot of people who love them.

And yes, have moved from RF territory to light entertainment (to be fair, there is a distinct cross over!).

I think the public attention has been largely because of the cross-over, it's quite unusual. Plus they have not seemed to understand the ramifications of the cross-over, and expected the perks of being RF to carry into their life in light entertainment.

Plus they have not seemed to understand the ramifications of the cross-over, and expected the perks of being RF to carry into their life in light entertainment

I think they may understand the ramifications and repercussions for speaking out. I admire people who speak out though. I think it's courageous, particularly when you're from an enmeshed family where you're expected to conform and keep quiet.

@Inkanta

i admire people who speak out - with the truth.

People who lie or embellish, putting others down to make themselves look better - not so much