Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

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I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

Sorry that was to @Glindara and @BornBlonde . 👍

Then why would the RF leak this and make themselves look rude, foolish and undiplomatic?

Doesn’t add up to me.

@Glindara
They'd only leak it if they didn't want HAM to go there. Is that what Harry is implying maybe?

No idea. But seems unlikely that they would leak something that would sour diplomatic relations just to get one over on Harry?

I'm not sure it has to make sense for Harry to believe something. 😁 Especially if it's something horrid about his family.

That makes sense! Thank you

But William,.who also loved his mother doesn't get the same sympathy because he handled it all with dignity. And he didn't want her to pull in an audience for Netflix. I admire that.

Just as Edward was told in the past that he could not monetise the RF.

This. She hit the ground running with their successful foreign tour and things like the Grenfell cookbook. Of course she made a few gaffes - an American woman in a pretty uptight organisation like the Royal family. I remember seeing her and Harry quite early on with William and Kate at one of their mental health type things - Meghan was so engaged and came across so well. Silent Kate just sat there. Totally outshone - and I thought then that this would not end well.

I hope they'll prove everyone wrong and make a success of their lives in America. I think Harry didn't really have an option to stay here - the media, helped by anonymous briefings from within the Royals, ensured this.

Of course she's different from Kate - she's made her own way in the world as a successful, professional woman whereas Kate has been spoon-fed all her life and achieved nothing of note in over a decade in the Royal family. Well, she'll finally have to step up as Princess of Wales, so we can judge her on results in due course. Just as Meghan has been judged since the moment she came into the Royal family.

@DaphneduM

Kate was pregnant with severe sickness during that interview, it seems rather bitchy to use it as a comparison of the two ladies.

I don’t know if waving a suitcase in skimpy clothing is something to aspire as ‘professional and successful’ to but there you go.

Hit the ground running? Yes, she ran all the way to California which was the plan as soon as she realised how constricting and boring it all was... and they was no endless money tree!

100% agree with you OP

Professional woman? No, she's an actress, and not of the top rank.

If it's true that they intended to leave the UK from the very beginning (and in view of their loudly expressed views on press intrusion) one would have thought they'd go low-key. A small private wedding, no titles, no royal duties and a quiet life in the US would be what we would expect they would choose. Instead they create drama, clearly inviting intrusion. This is how they intend to make their money from now on. Vulgar and uncivilised.

I dislike them both too. I mean I wouldn't say I have any particularly warm feelings towards the RF either now the Queen has gone - which I think Harry has and will be playing a part in bringing about a significant change or demise of them, perhaps inadvertently! - but I do particularly take issue both with his book and their Netflix sell outs

It seems to have been forgotten that they didn't want to escape from the 'institution' so presumably felt perfectly safe and secure, until they were told that they could not be half in and half out. It was all or nothing.

It was at that point that their plans fell apart. Clearly Harry couldn't believe that Granny said 'no'.

I don’t know if waving a suitcase in skimpy clothing is something to aspire as ‘professional and successful’ to but there you go.

Meghan has done a lot more than that. That is one of the things she did relatively early in her career. Reducing her to that one thing is not giving her the fairness you would like to see extended to Kate, who was pregnant during that interview and as we all know suffering morning sickness .

I have never seen a single programme which features Meghan. I was completely unaware that she was an actress when the whole engagement thing was announced. It didn't really register that she is mixed race. I hoped Harry would finally be happy. Instead they seem to have gone on a crash course in alienating people who wished them well. If they wanted to do something else apart from being Royals, that doesn't worry me. But they have nothing really that they can do without trading off the name.Eventually I think that might not be long lived. Harry's constant whining annoys me now and they both seem a bit helpless TBH. I hope they are happy but they should really reflect on why they have both turned their respective families against them and then ask how to proceed.

They are more similar than you give them credit for which is why they probably do rub each other up the wrong way.
Meghan - dad won the Lotto, financed a private education where she rubbed shoulders with people living much more privileged lives in stately homes.
Kate - wealth was from a distant relative and also lived in a modest house compared to the other kids at Marlborough

Both - did liberal arts -type degrees at good (but not the very best) universities.

Both - were waity for a decade in their 20s. Kate in relation to William, Meghan in relation to Trevor Engleson. Both went on to marry said guys. In both cases, the men involved were rich compared to them and paid for great lifestyles as photos show. This allowed them to work sporadically doing things that interested them, not the same as working to pay for life's essentials. They both like to adopt the same expensive look.

The main point of departure came in their 30s: Kate married her prince and settled down and had kids. Meghan finally got her break in acting, broke away from the marriage and gave it her all as an independent woman and for that five year period, found financial independence. Apparently, Kate is a Suits fan.

Late 30s, their paths converge with a bump for those long drawn out two years. On paper, they could have been great friends but their husbands' rivalries and press manipulation mean that their paths diverge forever.

Tillylime · 06/12/2022 12:21
I often wonder if the thing that scares the RF most about MM is that she is the smartest, academically, in the family imo.

Not really. William & Kate both have good degrees from St Andrews; Charles from Cambridge.
Only Harry is so stupid that his Art teacher had to "help" him so that he scraped the 2 A levels needed for Army Officer training

We've heard W and K speak

They aren't that bright

They fucked up with their half in/out plan. I read somewhere that Harry assumed he would always have this due to being born into the rf. Which seems like a fair assumption. Their ire is that it wasn't to be provided. Namely it was about security. It is also linked in the point about Archies skin colour/denial of the title prince ditto security. The proposal for royal protection officers to continue to provide security for them residing in America would be millions. To make the british public pay for a choice they freely made themselves.

Harry is still in an ongoing judicial review about the decision for security when visiting the UK with his family.

Most ordinary people can't even afford the first step for judicial review in appointing a solicitor. Even when it's an issue with an authority that wasn't their own decision, but one that has had a significant impact on their life. Oh and we pay the legal bill for the government's defence of this decision. So, whilst right for him to challenge a decision legal aid does not stretch to plebs to take a case to JR. I just resent the fact that his privilege (money) secures this advantage. If he wins, RAEVEC will have to look again at the decision. Which may mean a non working royal and his American family residing in the US can access public money for security, whilst in the UK. Setting a precedent for other rich nobs around the world. 😡😡😡

The idea that they were entitled to British taxpayer-funded security whilst living in Canada, then LA and on any trips they should take together or separately was ludicrous. I can’t believe even the most fervent supporter would approve of this.

The whole half-in thing was unworkable and very unfair if they thought they could skip the duty (ie boring visits in the UK) and cherry pick the glamorous events.

Novella4 · Today 18:12
We've heard W and K speak

They aren't that bright

Well if they're giving a formal speech it's pretty hard to tell.

Meghan, of course, is not so bad an actor that she can't sound "clever" even if what she's saying is a bit of nothing.

And if this were said about Harry and Meghan? Would you be offended?

When will people learn you don't have to knock others down to defend others