Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

I hope that william’s affair is made up. I’d be sad if he were repeating his father’s mistakes.

Meghan pretending to cry at the queen’s funeral may have ring of truth for some people. I still think the fact that the express went to all the trouble of hiring a ‘body language expert’ and having a pretendy interview with them about something that they have literally imagined is frankly unhinged. It speaks of obsession on the part of the newspaper

Harry is a huge hypocrite, dresses up in his nazi uniform and criticises the rest of RF of being racist. Also lectures on saving planet yet jets about the world whilst telling others long haul is bad. Megan is a narcissist who cries if she is not centre of attention, hated playing forth fiddle to Queen, Camilla and Catherine. They wanted to step down and live in US out of media attention we were told. Then they have gross photoshoots laying a wreath in a cemetery on November 11th. Sick of their evil lies. Megan got married 3 days before her TV wedding, NOT. Harry claims never to have been taken on bike rides by his Dad but photo proves otherwise. They constantly feed the media on specific dates to deliberately try to deflect attention away from RF. I think they are both horrible people and wish King Charles would request parliament takes away Sussex title from them and Prince title from Harry. They should not be invited to coronation. They won't stop until they bring down the monarchy.

I’ve largely ignored a lot of this, hence me only having this example, which stems from a 2 minute google

Yes, this is right too

the press are pretty vile to everyone. I suppose that’s worth bearing in mind!

And formal education aside, Meghan has never shown any evidence of great academic abilities. Neither have most of the others, but I see no reason to think they were all cowering in the shade of the searing intellect of the creator of 'The Tig'.

<<snort>> 😁

Sick of their evil lies

this feels like hyperbole to me. Evil is a big word. What’s specifically evil about their lies?

are they not just rather silly lies?

I still think the fact that the express went to all the trouble of hiring a ‘body language expert’ and having a pretendy interview with them about something that they have literally imagined is frankly unhinged. It speaks of obsession on the part of the newspaper

This is absolutely not the first time this has happened though - they hire “lip reading experts” all the time to try and figure out what the family members are saying to each other at big occasions, and body language experts also. Judi James has made a career out of this for years - see this recent example:

metro.co.uk/2022/10/02/expert-explains-prince-williams-clasped-hands-next-to-kate-middleton-17488284/

So unless you mean the paper is obsessed with the royals generally - which is probably true, as coverage of them sells papers/drives clicks!

yes, but this comment didn’t come from one of a mixed race couple. It came from a member of a previously all white institution that’s famously obsessed with blood lines

They won't name them. They won't say in what context it was said. They disagreed on when it was said and how often it was said. At this point is this claim something that holds any weight at all?

I had to Google the tig and now need a lie down after seeing the farewell message on the website

Keep finding those Tig moments of discovery, keep laughing and taking risks, and keep being "the change you wish to see in the world."

Above all, don't ever forget your worth - as I've told you time and time again: you, my sweet friend, you are enough.

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someone who could write that was never going to fit in over here in a million years

Lies can be “silly”, or at the other end of the scale they can be defamatory, or malicious falsehoods. and both are unlawful acts. Telling lies to cause damage to someone else, motivated by malice, and for your own financial gain, and aimed at people that you know are not really able to publicly defend themselves is not just illegal, but also tends to indicate a complete lack of a moral compass.

Meghan has also lied on oath to the court, and been patron of a conspiracy to procure others to lie on her behalf. That’s dishonest, and criminal. So, they are not silly acts we are talking about. They are serious acts, with serious consequences.

Lying to a court is serious not silly, people have been prosecuted and jailed for doing the same. There was a number of people sharing in this conspiracy which makes it worse.

I don’t think minimising these actions are helpful or appropriate.

Very persuasive replies!

I still don’t think ‘evil’ is the right word, but I concede that ‘silly’ isn’t either

My questions are that if Meghan was so unaware of the royal family why didn't Harry coach her at all?
And
What was the plan? They move to LA and keep working as royals. Get all the monetary and security benefits by UK tax payers, pop over to UK twice a year for trooping the color and remembrance day, sail to Caribbean and Australia to shake hands and then come back to LA? And they assumed that this would be totally fine?

What was the plan? They move to LA and keep working as royals. Get all the monetary and security benefits by UK tax payers, pop over to UK twice a year for trooping the color and remembrance day, sail to Caribbean and Australia to shake hands and then come back to LA? And they assumed that this would be totally fine?

TBH I think that’s precisely the sort of thing they had in mind

This still to me shows Harry is firmly to blame - he didn't prepare her at all, neither did she seem to try to prepare herself, but it's firmly on him to have properly briefed her.

I agree, particularly with what you said about the attitude towards the public. People were genuinely pleased for H when he got married. However I feel this NF documentary has painted the British public as racist. I’ve just watched episode 2, where they talk about the engagement being announced in the febrile atmosphere of Brexit, with imagery of far right thugs protesting.
I’m married to an Arab man who has travelled and worked all over the world. I am well aware the U.K. is not snowy white in race relations but I can tell you, based on his experience, we are probably the best in Europe. I’ve also lived in the US and race relations there are awful, and that was living in New England.

I liked her a lot at first. I remember the photos of her with Cate at the tennis and thought how lovely and smiley she seemed and how nice it would be to have someone almost normal in that privileged little bubble.
I’ve always thought he was a bit of a nob.

I fully supported their move to America because I could see how beneficial it would be for their children to grow up with more normality than at the palaces and to be closer to their maternal grandmother.

The interview with Oprah changed my opinion drastically. They told bare faced lies. I really dislike their current trajectory. I don’t like how Harry makes a point of saying of how difficult it is for women who marry into the royal family and the abuse they suffer at the hands of the tabloids etc. but then continue to encourage this harassment towards Cate who is unable to speak out to defend herself (which they know).

I still prefer Meghan to Harry. This is all still relatively new to her and she is from the opposite end of the spectrum of needing to speak out publicly and make a name for herself as an actress. Harry has no such excuse. He knew the lies they told on Oprah were completely and provably false, and how much they would hurt his family but he allowed it to happen.

All these comments about Harry and Megan bashing the royal family. They literally just said their experience in a very matter of fact way. The media twisted it all and made it out as if they hated the queen. I'm sure Harry knows and loves his grandmother more than anyone on here.

“I'm sure Harry knows and loves his grandmother more than anyone on here.”

He loves her so much that during the final painful weeks when she was tending to her husband’s end of life he was happy to land the bombshell OW interview.

And he loves her so much that when she was so frail that the whole world could see he chose not to visit her when he was over from the US in the days before her death.

I find it so sad that when you look at the photos of Harry , William and Catherine they were all so happy together. Very close . And now it seems like there will be no going back . Harry hates the whole Royal set up , we are all racist , and he is the victim . But he does not want to stay and help change things . So be it , live your best life . But stop complaining . Other people have hard lives . Really hard lives.

I just watched episode one of the harry and Meghan Netflix series and honestly, I can totally see why they removed themselves from the Firm.
Just watching the footage of Harry and William with Eugenie and Beatrice skiing was enough. Paparazzi are incredibly invasive and I say good for Harry and Meghan removing their children from that.

At the end of the day the royal family is a business.

Maybe the queen didn't want anyone to visit her/see her very unwell. I know my granny wouldn't. 🤷 Queens children would be different but not grandchildren imo

Just out of curiosity, does anyone recall the Duchess waxing lyrical about Harry in the same way that he appears to adore and idolise her? "Beautiful" "smart", "funny", "kind", "loving" , "empathetic", "humanitarian", "just like my mum" (hmm)...I remember once she said he was "sweet".

L'un aime, l'autre se laisse aimer. ("One loves, the other allows him/herself to be loved")

She probably doesn't feel the need to defend his character on the level he does because he hasn't received the torrent of insults and abuse that she has.

Honestly the woman can't do anything right according to some people. If she had carried on about how wonderful she thinks Harry is, people would be accusing her of talking too much, or exaggerating, or being insincere.

Maybe the queen didn't want anyone to visit her/see her very unwell. I know my granny wouldn't. 🤷 Queens children would be different but not grandchildren imo

Except she had the Prime Minister and a press crew around instead……so no.