Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

What makes you think that?

All of the adult royals of 'her' generation have Bachelor's degrees from good universities, so are at exactly the same academic level as Meghan. Other than her husband of course.

Which stories and said by whom ?

It's absolutely disgusting. An airy, non substantiated accusation has created untold pain and damage and still they don't clarify. This is what carelessly handled accusations of racism do, you see it on here all the time, posters just throwing it out there with no proof, just based on their own questionable and flimsy belief systems. They can't even see the person standing in front of them to judge them, and I think the worst of all is how POC who push back on those pushing this agenda are treated, routinely sneered at and told they're lying about their heritage if they don't hold CRT based views. I've never seen anything so poisonous and divisive. Deeply depressing.

@Readinginthesun That'll be no then! Somehow I think I could bring up a whole portfolio of bullshit from the tabloids and it wouldn't change your mind. Because that's your opinion and these days this matters just as much as facts in people's minds.

Do the people that are so incensed by what they see as outright lying from MM feel the same way about the made up stories about them in the media? Just while on the subject of hypocrisy etc.

I dont know who made up lies about them or what the lies were. No one should have made up lies about them. If I think I see it happen on here, I challenge it.
As a result when they've lied, I feel comfortable to call them out too.

I've never know such vitriol towards two people and I find it puzzling when there are people who are much more deserving of that who are completely in the clear.

Like who?

Yes I’d like to know too, but I’m not sure anyone is “incensed”

and for the comment it’s the shitty behaviour that stays with you not what actually happened,I’ve had times in my life where someone has been shitty to me, as have most folks, I remember the detail and am not confused in any way,

Stories about Meghan definitely get made up or spun for all they’re worth.

i didn’t get the ‘left eye’ reference so googled it. And was left open mouthed at the coverage. The Express hired a ‘body language expert’ to check if Meghan was genuinely upset at her grandmother in law’s funeral

I mean for fuck’s sake. Who could possibly win faced with that?

Do the people that are so incensed by what they see as outright lying from MM feel the same way about the made up stories about them in the media?

Personally yes, though frankly I expect nothing better from the trash media and on the whole those expectations are met. It's also why some of us, if we refer to a media report at all as opposed to something the subjects have actually said or done publicly, add "reportedly" instead of simply believing whatever it is

Harry and Meghan on the other hand talk a great deal about "compassion", "kindness", "positive change" and all the rest, so in many ways it's the mismatch which irritates

I just think they could have done A LOT OF GOOD THINGS. I actually liked them in the beginning.

Instead they choose to be "victims" of the institution that is the RF. And keep themselves in the gossip pages with some wild speculations, extraggagateed unfair treatment and blatant lies.
That's why I don't like them.

It’s stuff like this which pushes their credibility into the minus zone - when people are proved to be less than honest, they can’t then expect to be believed surely?

Harry and Meghan's Netflix trailers criticised over 'misleading' clips www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63837131

Yes but said by whom ? A member of the family ? A member of the press ? A member of the public ?

Please do quote stories and who said them ! I used to work with a terrible gossip so if someone line her posted then I wouldn’t believe it but if it was an official story that’s different .

MM went to Northwestern.
It's one of the elite universities and ranks 60 places higher than St Andrews.

Does it rank higher than Cambridge, where Charles did his degree?

Although I'm not sure current uni rankings are that helpful given that most of the people under discussion graduated well over a decade ago.

And formal education aside, Meghan has never shown any evidence of great academic abilities. Neither have most of the others, but I see no reason to think they were all cowering in the shade of the searing intellect of the creator of 'The Tig'.

Was there any suggestion of a ‘correct’ skin colour? All I heard was speculation as to the colour of a baby. That could be racist but not automatically so - everyone who has ever had a baby will to some degree speculate what that baby might be like, what characteristics they might share with each parent. Every mixed-race couple I know has wondered what colour their baby would be. Not because they are racist but just because they are curious about their baby.

All I heard was speculation as to the colour of a baby. That could be racist but not automatically so

I think that’s a remarkably charitable interpretation

Every mixed-race couple I know has wondered what colour their baby would be. Not because they are racist but just because they are curious about their baby.

yes, but this comment didn’t come from one of a mixed race couple. It came from a member of a previously all white institution that’s famously obsessed with blood lines

to anyone who isn’t racist, or one of the parents, of what relevance whatsoever is the colour of a child’s skin?

In this case by the press, obviously

the ‘Meghan was only pretending to be sad at the queen’s funeral’ story was entirely confected by the press and driven by their prejudice against her

I believe that prejudice springs at least in part from racism. I think it also springs from nationalism/jingoism. She is, after all not British

It’s a bit like the cautionary tale of Matilda in the eponymous poem by Hilaire Belloc .

Matilda keeps calling the fire brigade and lying about a fire, one day there’s a real fire but the fire brigade don’t answer her calls for help because she has lied so many times before that they don’t believe her genuine calls for help. So she perishes.

M &H may at times be telling ‘her truth’ or ‘their truth’ even ‘the truth’ but it’s hard to take anything they say seriously because they’ve told so many untruths and half truths in the past . Quite simply they have zero credibility.

They give a very big toss about what all of us think, otherwise they wouldn't have done the OW interview.

And we like the drama, if it wasn't them we would be posting on social media about a different pair of drama lama's.

Feeble example but 🤷‍♀️

The press literally making up stuff to give them an excuse to slag someone off doesn’t strike you as a bit of a problem?

Haven’t head of the poem but it is an Aesop Fable - crying wolf.

the ‘Meghan was only pretending to be sad at the queen’s funeral’ story was entirely confected by the press and driven by their prejudice against her

I believe that prejudice springs at least in part from racism. I think it also springs from nationalism/jingoism. She is, after all not British

There might have been some of that in the past but I don’t think it was that at the funeral. I think the lies she told to Oprah, that they were disrespectful to the queen in the manner of their departure to America, and significantly cynicism over the fact it was all being recorded for Netflix, was more than enough to drive dislike and distrust of the British Press immediately after the death of a much loved monarch and head of the family Megan clearly held in disdain.

Of course it is . I have a close relative who works in TV and the shit that has been made up about him over the years is unbelievable.
I asked you for examples and you came up with something that struck a lot of people as having a ring of truth .
What do you be think of the made up story about William’s affair ? Or is that different ?

I am slightly uncomfortable with the narrative that any and all criticism of Meghan is due to racism and the desire to make this thread about this. I don’t believe this to be true.

I personally will criticise where I find fault irrelevant of skin tone, and I don’t believe skin tone should be a reason to silence that, harry is getting major criticism as well. Much more from many, It’s not just Meghan. and he’s a white ginger haired bloke. Also no one knows the skin colour of the people posting or many of the journalists writing,

there will be racism don’t get me wrong but believing all of it is racist I dont agree with. The proof of that is much of the same being said about harry. Kate, her family, her mother in particular, her sister, camilla, Eugenia and Beatrice, Sarah, Diana, they all had it, the only ones who haven’t are the ones who keep a low profile. It is not unique to Meghan.