Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

I'd suggest that Cressida and Chelsea had a bit more common sense and understood that they would be living with a man child in a gilded cage.

Chelsea and Kate were the same status as one another - GFs. When Cressida arrived, Kate was already DoC.

It was two queen bees. It wa never going to work.

and harry was too desperate for the marriage and kids, too in love, he was never going to let it fall apart, he was always going to follow Meghan,

if you think about it, every complaint he has, every single one that caused this, is about the treatment of Meghan, not him, Meghan, he keeps saying it, he had to leave to protect his family, that Meghan needed therapy and couldn’t get it, that the media hounded his family, every single thing that caused this is about Meghan.

He was with Chelsy for six years.

Agree with this - can also happen to sisters and mothers if the guy is close to them.

These types are often possessive and insecure and feel threatened by their BF giving attention to other females so manufacture hostility to make the BF choose,

Harry had a very public and very close and respectful relationship with Kate for decades from when they were teenagers - they all grew up together and this long standing friendship would have been sub consciously very threatening to someone with MM’s character type.

The took naked photos of her! How is that not awful?

He could have got her therapy though and sent 'people' to support pay off her family (who caused a lot of the media furore) but he didn't. I think this was just a convenient way of him settling scores with his father and brother.

Spot on @WidowTwanki

I know, but Kate and Chelsea, were both 'only' gfs so had equal status and when CB was around Kate was already DoC, so no competition IYWIM

this is interesting too

Kate keeps so much to herself, I hadn't formed any opinion, but the idea of her as a queen bee taking umbridge at another woman who sees herself as an alpha female makes so much sense.

and this is why I'd much rather talk about this on mumsnet than watch the nonsense doco.

I also think Kate was raised to have a drive to be the best. Her mother had to have that to change her circumstances and succeed in business and in upper middle-class life, from a working class background. Pippa and James have competed in high level sports and Pippa seemed to go out of her way to find a DH, who was equally economically impressive as her sister's.

‘…CB was around Kate was already DoC, so no competition IYWIM’

Yes - so exactly the same set up with CB as when MM arrived - so “no competition” and a would expect a peaceful respectful dynamic…….as per PH earlier GFs

That’s why I think Harry is being manipulated by higher forces. Any normal person whose spouse does not get on with their in-laws (or has even been insulted) says “Oh, we’ll give them a wide berth” or “I’ll see them on my own” or even “Don’t take any notice; don’t let them win”. This “war” business favours a few vested interests and I think Harry is being played magnificently.

who benefits?

certainly not Harry, Meghan or the RF I don't think?

Netflix?

@MrsMaxDeWinter why post? If I am so deranged?

sushy now

we're talking and it's harmless and fun

off you pop

@BernardBlacksMolluscs

I think PH had said some unkind things about Kate from early on, I’m not sure they always had a close relationship

@MintyFreshOne

I think PH had said some unkind things about Kate from early on, I’m not sure they always had a close relationship

can you elaborate on what he said?

He was with Chelsy for 6 years and Cressida 2 years . He was with Meghan less than 2 years before he married her !

“As an amateur anthropologist interested in the curious workings of the minds of the white women of Mumsnet when it comes to Harry and Meghan, I am enjoying it immensely, but not for the same reasons as you.”

Wow…..racist and misogynistic

This thread is an incredible mix of envy, spite, blind ignorance, arse licking, forelock tugging, malice and rage.

Rubbish

When Sarah Ferguson married into the Royal Family, she was indiscreet, in a lot of her ways, and did kind of waving and wide grinning which, at the time, were gestures seen as indecorous. I'm old enough to remember and it was felt at the time, that Diana and she might be a bit wild and informal together. I read at the time that Diana went on to pull back from her, somewhat, partly because she didn't like Sarah saying that borrowing Diana's shoes had given her a verucca, but also because she was a bit off the page and clueless about what looked naff or undignified. Diana tried to uphold the Royal Family protocol, whilst, in a much more clever and subtle way, looking fun, when it could be managed tastefully.

I think Kate just had to do the right thing on public, formal occasions. She just couldn't stick her tongue out at kids in the crowd, as Meghan did, she had to be proper, because she had married in too, and wasn't brought up to this, and her mother had been critisized for chewing gum at an occasion, and all sorts of things that they, as Middleton's - not aristocrats, had to pick up.

I think Kate just had to not be seen being inappropriate. Meghan used to full on talk, in state carriage rides and walking to church at Christmas, when pretence at chatter is just to animate your face, just routine, to stop your face going flat and to stop you not knowing where your eyes should look. It's minimal comment to Sophie Wessex, or whoever if near you - not catching up on news, that is required.

I don't think Kate would have meant to be off hand, just not wishing to join in all the casual disregard for formality and rules, which Meghan liked to do, to be helpfully, at least sometimes this being the motive, bringing the Royals into the 21st century.