Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

People gossip, that’s human nature

When you air your dirty linen in public, people will discuss it.
If you don’t want people to discuss it, you don’t do it.

You can’t control the narrative, much as you may want to.

All this is is a more privileged version of a family having an argument all over Facebook.

Have you listened to her or read anything she writes @VladmirsPoutine ? I work in HE and see UGs trying to sound clever doing the same thing all the time. Also, what qualifies them to speak on some of the issues they involve themselves in? Especially, the environment with all the private jet use, him talking about racism based on his past...

@PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog I have. I don't necessarily agree with everything she says but I'm not a fan of the royals or anyone tbf. The point is that the hatred these two inspire in you, among others, is unhealthy. It's so far removed from just being a couple in the public eye you don't particularly like to something deeply rooted. There are threads like this all the time.

Where have I said I 'hate' them? Shown 'Hatred?' =an extremely strong feeling of dislike. I dislike them, but I don't hate them.

Public figures, as they keep making themselves cannot just do as they like without scrutiny, especially when they have been funded by the public for 34 years, as Harry was. That way dictatorship lies.

But she's not writing paragraph length responses about someone she does NOT know. She's just pointing out a basic fact.

So many like to ignore the fact that the press in the UK has hounded Meghan since she came into the picture. And most of that coverage was and continues to be racist.

Most importantly, the royal family did not stand up for her during this time -even in the face of credible threats from right wing nuts, that the Met police took seriously.

She, like everyone else, has a right to tell her story.

I do wonder about all the people saying YOU CAN’T TALK ABOUT THEM, WHY ALL THE HATE???

this is idle gossip as far as I’m concerned, not hate. These are people who go out of their way to put themselves in the public eye. I like a bit of gossip as much as the next person, people are endlessly fascinating aren’t they? And I consider that they have made themselves fair game

She, like everyone else, has a right to tell her story.

yes indeed

and the people she’s telling it to have a right to come to conclusions based on that story?

I have obliquely been subject to prurient interest by the the press about something personal, and I can confirm that the only way to make it go away for good is never to speak to the press about anything, ever

I agree. Grey rock the whole thing. If / when they react then it gives them something else to discuss but grey rock and don't feed the drama vultures.

This type of sentiment is more than just idle celebrity gossip. This is unhealthy and it's so insidious. The way this hatred consumes you must be eating away at you.

Such hyperbolic, emotive, shaming language aimed at people discussing a celebrity whose bread and butter is based on being discussed by large swathes of the public. What's the aim of this I wonder? To shut people up entirely? To make them speak the way you deem appropriate? Is it that when you are criticising someone, it is actually you who is "consumed with hatred" and it "eats away at you" so you assume everyone else feels that way? So odd.

He is so rude. I have never, ever been racist, because I know how it feels. I am Welsh!

Racist folks are always in denial. You now publicly seen a number of incidents where members of the royal family have been accused of racism and as those working for them.
You have seen the threat of an attack from the far right being proven by actual officers. Research showing the number of troll accounts spewing racism at Meghan and her children. Etc etc. But it must all be lies.

Sorry, she lost me at the whole ' we got married in the back garden' thing. Whatever she meant, she should have been scrupulously truthful, if it was just private vows say that. But' getting married in the back garden', and then having the whole spectacle of the Windsor wedding thrown into question? Why?

“I think Harry is pathologically jealous of his brother”

Is that even a possible diagnosis? In regard to brothers?

please quote the post where I down played racism suffered by MM?

because some people are racist it doesn't mean everyone is. It's just rude to throw around unfounded accusations

It's not a 'diagnosis'. Just a theory.

No one ignores the fact the press is intrusive and hounds royal women. I remember exactly the same happening with Diana and Sarah. I don't know how much was racist about Meghan but obviously nothing was racist about the other royal women but even so awful things were persistently said about them, their privacy was intruded on, they were abused in the street so pictures could be taken if they reacted. They even regularly went after Catherines family who had done nothing to deserve any of it. The chance never released any statements about any if it.

Catherine was spied on and had naked photos taken and splashed across the Internet. If that had happened to Meghan, obviously you would say it was awful, would you call it racist too? She sued over it but, again no statements issued.

They've all had threats. Princess Anne fought off a kidnapping event. Cant get a more credible threat than that. The queen had an intruder in her bedroom.

As Meghan said, she was never asked to sign anything not to talk, so she can tell her story. But presumably she believes her story is worth talking about so that's what people are doing.

@Theunamedcat and that's all you took from my post? I'm not ridiculous, of course I know he would have been briefed on those he was going to meet. But presumably you weren't there. You have no idea how many people, kids, families and professionals were in that room. You did not witness nor experience what I did and yet even reading a personal story involving my son and other extremely ill children you choose to take this as an opportunity to belittle a man (checking the buttons on his trousers) who you probably have never met, especially under these circumstances.

There are very few posters on here who have had any personal interactions with Prince Harry .....

Going after Camilla and Catherine would be a spectacular irony considering how scathing they have been of the press in relation to Meghan - and rightly so. Lest we forget, C&C both went through a press ‘hazing’.

I’ve been pretty much combined to bed for most of the past 6 months so I have started doing things like writing letters to state and federal MPs in Australia in support of a number of causes, plus I’ve been following politics AND I also started reading and posting on mn, all mostly to distract myself from pain. I’ve been shocked by the level of vitriol some posters repeatedly display towards 2 people they have never met. .

The worst that Catherine got was 'waity Kate' and complaints of her not having a 'real' job. In her position I'd have done much the same! On the cusp of marrying the future king and bearing royal offspring I too would have spent my days sipping green tea and bidding my time!

It’s a folie a deux . A delusion shared by two.

I strongly believe harry is primarily to blame but Meghan eggs him on and validates it, she wanted money and fame, believed her own hype and thought they were global superstars, the next clooneys, as soon as they and Oprah fronted up at their wedding the writing was on the wall, , he , to apparently quote the queen , was a bit over in love, and felt moved by all Meghans weeping, that he had to act to protect. I suspect she’d have left him if he had not,, she heard his unhappines and amplified it , she was never going to spend her days looking like second fiddle to Kate. And that hit a big nerve with harry, as he is jealous of William.

I doubt either of them can think it’s anything other than a mess right now, soon enough Charles will feel forced to take decisive action to stop this constant onslaught and they will have nothing left to monetise, they will sell that last story about loosing their titles and that’s it, game over . If Charles doesn’t take action, then William will.

I genuinely believe when the fame dries up, and she’s no longer married to a prince, just harry Windsor , she will end her marriage and start selling her story about being married to harry , his mental health and how difficult the whole sorry episode was.

I assume Andrew keeps his head down because nearly everyone despises a nonce, he’s been universally vilified and and surely its better for the monarchy when we don’t see or hear from him. I don’t think his lack of public exposure is self imposed nor relates to any kind strength of character / self awareness 🤷🏽‍♀️

I think it can be true that MM suffered appalling racism and has behaved like a bit of a dick

I think noticing that she and Harry are behaving like dicks does not align you with the racists, which does seem to be what some people are implying (unless I'm misunderstanding their posts)