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Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

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PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 03/12/2022 23:02

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

  1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.
  1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
  2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

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IcedPurple · 04/12/2022 14:06

RiverSkater · 04/12/2022 13:29

They have to do this ( documentary, book) now to get the most money from their stories about their time at the palace.

Once it's all out, then what?

They are quite boring without all these stories. With so many of us struggling with our everyday lives their continuing bleating about themselves is in very poor taste.

I'd like Charles to remove any titles from them and let them get in with it.

Then they are neither British Royalty nor Hollywood Royalty and they wanted to be both.

It will be interesting to see if they show their faces at the Coronation after all this.

Even if they are enormous hypocrites and do attend, that will surely be the last royal event they will attend for the foreseeable future. Their royal life will fade into the past tense. As you say, without the royal connections they are rather dull, so it's hard to see where they can go from here, especially if they have established a reputation for being difficult to work with. I think it's too late for them to build a 'brand' not associated with constant negativity. They really haven't played this well.

WidowTwanki · 04/12/2022 14:13

MeowwandAnder · 04/12/2022 09:40

@MrsFinkelstein

I agree. I think if I was going to make any kind of criticism, it would be this. You cannot accuse others of being racist without addressing your past.

I do think the racism debate surrounding Harry/Meghan/monarchy is a good thing - and I do applaud that it’s been highlighted.

I’m trying to understand the ‘he was younger, it’s in the past etc’ view - but it would never been acceptable to use those terms, or dress up that way : it was probably the sort of language/views he was growing up around.

So yes highlight the issue - but also address that you’re own mistakes - before you accuse others.

The people who say PH was only a teenager (he wasn’t he was actually in his twenties) when he was dishing out racist abuse are the same level apologists as the ones saying Hussy is just a doddering old lady.

Racism is unacceptable from the moment you can speak.

Toddlers aren’t allowed to call others “P*ki” at nursery - it’s hugely offensive.

MarshaMelrose · 04/12/2022 14:15

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/12/2022 09:53

It never goes well for the spare, does it?

Prince Andrew obvs
Edward VIII effectively fell into the 'spare' role after he abdicated and became a full on actual traitor (www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/edward-viii-traitor-ww2-documentary-b2043974.html)
Prince Harry

It makes me fear for Charlotte. I'm a natural small c conservative and am generally in favour of the royal family in a 'why change it' kind of way. but the toxicity we see around the spare increasingly makes me think the whole institution is rotten

George VI was the spare. He never wanted to be king. He was always supportive of Edward. He had a happy marriage, was dutiful and turned out to be a good and loved king.

Edward VIII wasn't ever a spare. He was resentful that he ended up in places he thought as a backwater and he missed the deference of the whole court system.

Margaret was a bit of a diva, but she was very protective of the RF and always loyal to her sister.

Prince Harry was the centre of his family who he livedcand was loved by. He even said so at his engagement interview. His position as a royal meant there were some things he couldn't do. But that's nothing to do with being a spare. He was brought up with immense privilege and he took advantage of that in many ways. Actually what hecwanted was to have lots of money but no responsibilities or expectations to go with it.

He could have done anything with his life. And he's chosen to make a career out of moaning about his family. William had the same upbringing but seems more level headed and married into a supportive and level-headed family, who encouraged him to have good relations with his relatives. Harry feels a lot more sorry for himself and married into a dysfunctional family who has said it's up to him if he doesn't have good relations with his family.

So I don't think it's being the spare that's a problem. I think it's the character of the person that leads to issues.

thereisonlyoneofme · 04/12/2022 14:16

They may be reduced to cameos in adverts like a lot of forgotten "stars" 😀

IcedPurple · 04/12/2022 14:20

thereisonlyoneofme · 04/12/2022 14:16

They may be reduced to cameos in adverts like a lot of forgotten "stars" 😀

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/12/2022 14:22

MrsGusset · 04/12/2022 13:43

And ‘spares’ really do seem to struggle -it’s a shit job

I don't buy the poor hard done by Spare argument. The Spare to the Throne is one of the most privileged people on earth. The role is far more desirable than that of the actual Heir, with all of the benefits and few of the responsibilities.

It only becomes a problem if The Spare's level of egotism blinds them to their own great good fortune - as is spectacularly the case with Harry.

I agree that from the outside it looks pretty damn good

but none of them seems to be able to lead useful, productive lives

I think that suggests it ain’t all roses from the inside

sashagabadon · 04/12/2022 14:26

I think we’re all very very lucky that Harry is the spare and not the heir. If the brothers had been born the other way round the monarchy would be in a crisis right now but as they weren’t the monarchy will sail on by.
They should react to the docu series the same way they have reacted to The Crown. Do and say nothing and in fact not even watch it. I wouldn’t in their position.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/12/2022 14:27

One thing that occurs to me about MM is pre Harry, she got where she wanted to go, through hard work and persistence, and doubtless some luck

the RF is a completely different environment. It didn’t matter what she did or how good she was at it, she could never move up the hierarchy. She could only ever move down in fact, as W&C had more children

I can imagine for someone coming from a (kind of) meritocracy, that would be pretty fucking hard to take

IcedPurple · 04/12/2022 14:29

I can imagine for someone coming from a (kind of) meritocracy, that would be pretty fucking hard to take

Don't marry into it then.

sashagabadon · 04/12/2022 14:33

Exactly, don’t go anywhere near any English aristocrat as the heir system works that way there too.
instead marry a rich American where your class is of less importance and your wealth is what matters.
you won’t be as famous but you’ll be richer and probably happier

Readinginthesun · 04/12/2022 14:35

sashagabadon · 04/12/2022 14:26

I think we’re all very very lucky that Harry is the spare and not the heir. If the brothers had been born the other way round the monarchy would be in a crisis right now but as they weren’t the monarchy will sail on by.
They should react to the docu series the same way they have reacted to The Crown. Do and say nothing and in fact not even watch it. I wouldn’t in their position.

Well if the latest media reports are true , they are going to respond if - as expected- they go after Camilla and Catherine .

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/12/2022 14:36

All true! I’m just riffing about what might lie behind some pretty stupid and destructive behaviour I guess

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PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 04/12/2022 14:37

sashagabadon · 04/12/2022 14:33

Exactly, don’t go anywhere near any English aristocrat as the heir system works that way there too.
instead marry a rich American where your class is of less importance and your wealth is what matters.
you won’t be as famous but you’ll be richer and probably happier

As an actress though, fame is what matters, surely. The more famous an actress is the more money she can make. If they were both honest about selling their souls to the highest bidder, rather than pretending to be saving mankind with one pseudo intellectual word vomit at a time, people would be less critical.

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IcedPurple · 04/12/2022 14:38

sashagabadon · 04/12/2022 14:33

Exactly, don’t go anywhere near any English aristocrat as the heir system works that way there too.
instead marry a rich American where your class is of less importance and your wealth is what matters.
you won’t be as famous but you’ll be richer and probably happier

Yes, everyone in the world knows how monarchies work.

Don't they?

And of course, even if she was never going to outrank Kate, marriage to a member of the British royal family gave her status, wealth, fame and a platform to do good which she could never have come close to achieving through her own merits. Not all that 'hard to take'.

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PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 04/12/2022 14:41

IcedPurple · 04/12/2022 14:38

Yes, everyone in the world knows how monarchies work.

Don't they?

And of course, even if she was never going to outrank Kate, marriage to a member of the British royal family gave her status, wealth, fame and a platform to do good which she could never have come close to achieving through her own merits. Not all that 'hard to take'.

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Especially if you have a degree in IR from an excellent university, I would think. You'd also be aware of the way to greet the head of state and have the foresight to look up the National anthem, when things started getting serious at least.

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VladmirsPoutine · 04/12/2022 14:41

@derxa How did they ridicule the Queen? Confused
I don't think everyone should agree. The point is more that the hatred these two have inspired is a lot more sinister than just plain gossip about people in the public eye. There's something quite deplorable about the hate they receive. This idea that she's disingenuous and people don't trust her is a different sort of level. I've said it before and I'll say it again - had Harry married a Kate2.0 the stories would be "oh look how cute that little family is."

IcedPurple · 04/12/2022 14:45

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 04/12/2022 14:41

Especially if you have a degree in IR from an excellent university, I would think. You'd also be aware of the way to greet the head of state and have the foresight to look up the National anthem, when things started getting serious at least.

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When the stakes were that high, wouldn't it have made sense to use the google?

heartbroken22 · 04/12/2022 14:49

Liked them but not all the Netflix stuff. Why do we need to see all those pda photos? They might aswell have a sex tape if they're that desperate 🤮

MintyFreshOne · 04/12/2022 14:49

I’m surprised PH acts the way he does now, he seemed to have that EQ his mother had, just a way with people that was a real asset to the RF. PW just doesn’t have it and is cold like the rest of the RF.

Too bad it came to this

Cenosillicaphobia · 04/12/2022 14:55

I just think selling out your family for millions of dollars over and over is disgusting! Tells me more about M&H than anything else.

MarshaMelrose · 04/12/2022 15:05

heartbroken22 · 04/12/2022 14:49

Liked them but not all the Netflix stuff. Why do we need to see all those pda photos? They might aswell have a sex tape if they're that desperate 🤮

...maybe after people stop spending on his whingeing. 😉 Like he said he has to do everything he can to support his family.

Coucous · 04/12/2022 15:07

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PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 04/12/2022 15:10

had Harry married a Kate2.0 the stories would be "oh look how cute that little family is

Rightly or wrongly, there is nothing more to say about Kate or Kate 2,0 because she doesn't voice an opinion. Whereas MM opines about everything and expects to be viewed as an expert or modern day Confuscious. When in reality she speaks and writes like a precocious 6th former or undergraduate.

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PicturesOfDogs · 04/12/2022 15:14

MintyFreshOne · 04/12/2022 14:49

I’m surprised PH acts the way he does now, he seemed to have that EQ his mother had, just a way with people that was a real asset to the RF. PW just doesn’t have it and is cold like the rest of the RF.

Too bad it came to this

Do you not think this is the ‘heir and the spare’ thing again though?

Harry has always had a lot more freedom than William.

William, as the heir, knows he has a role to play, which is to show less of himself and be more restrained, whereas Harry didn’t

VladmirsPoutine · 04/12/2022 15:15

Whereas MM opines about everything and expects to be viewed as an expert or modern day Confuscious. When in reality she speaks and writes like a precocious 6th former or undergraduate.

This type of sentiment is more than just idle celebrity gossip. This is unhealthy and it's so insidious. The way this hatred consumes you must be eating away at you.