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myrtleWilson · 30/11/2022 12:42

Awful story just broken on twitter about horrendous racist questioning from Lady Hussey to Ngozi Fulani from Sister Space at yesterdays VAWG event.

Lady Hussey has resigned.

[Edited by MNHQ to correct typo at OP's request]

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ClaudineClare · 30/11/2022 18:55

Tackling.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/11/2022 18:56

ClaudineClare · 30/11/2022 18:54

It is a pity to remove this thread as it shows the UK has a long way to go still in tacling racism. I think MNHQ should let it stand.

I agree @KimMumsnet. I don't think it should be taken down.

carefulcalculator · 30/11/2022 18:58

I'm sick of threads being shut because some posters breach guidelines.

Maximinimalist · 30/11/2022 18:58

starfro · 30/11/2022 18:49

Most 80-year-olds say things that are considered non-PC and unacceptable in modern terms. Obviously younger members of the RF wouldn't have a conversation like this.

There is a victim at the end of it.

Some women at traumatised by men wolf whistling, some are traumatised by men staring. Is it too much to understand that this aggressive racist questioning about your belonging, steep in historical bigotry, is traumatising? Or is trauma only about what concerns white women?

Age does not excuse abuse of minors, women, or ethnic minorities.

The Royal Family is racist and their biggest supporters are of the white supremacist variety. A dying breed.

Long live our Prime Minister. A new day had dawned. We live in a Britain where belonging is not about skin colour.

The Royal Family is anti-British

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/11/2022 18:59

F4chrissakes · 30/11/2022 18:48

How is my post apologist, I'm not apologising for anyone? I was brought up in a racist era - I saw the signs -"Rooms to let, no blacks, no Irish" and i am white, but how does that make me a racist?

So you think if it's not on a sign, it's not racism? Why did you post about being accused of racism, what did that have to do with what happened to Ngozi?

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 18:59

F4chrissakes · 30/11/2022 18:38

I'm white and thus have no experience of being on the receiving end of racism. I once called someone out at work for a serious mistake, and the retort was that I "had it in " for the person because of the colour of their skin. I replied that I don't care if their skin is black, white or green, it was a stupid mistake and we don't want any repeat thanks. Am I a racist? Serious question. Because, whilst Lady H's questioning seems intrusive and rude, and certainly touching Ngozi was offensive, why was her interest in her background racist? Ngozi was dressed in what I would say was an exotic African way, and the pictures I've seen show other ladies dressed rather more sedately; I'd have been interested in her background too.

Would you have persisted in questioning her when she showed no desire to have said conversation and felt that your ‘interest’ in her background was more important than whether or not she wanted to talk about it?

If not, cool, not racist behaviour. If so, yes, that’s racist.

Maximinimalist · 30/11/2022 19:00

Willmafrockfit · 30/11/2022 18:35

the lady could have asked the question differently
the charity worker could have told her where her family originated from

imo

Yes the problem is the victim.

That woman should not have worn a skirt if she did not want to be harassed.

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:01

starfro · 30/11/2022 18:49

Most 80-year-olds say things that are considered non-PC and unacceptable in modern terms. Obviously younger members of the RF wouldn't have a conversation like this.

Agree. When elderly folks make a faux pas, I tend to let it slide. The lady who reportedly said these words is 83. She will have witnessed much change in social discourse and manners in those decades.

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:02

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:01

Agree. When elderly folks make a faux pas, I tend to let it slide. The lady who reportedly said these words is 83. She will have witnessed much change in social discourse and manners in those decades.

So Black people should tolerate being interrogated because older people are unaware that ‘social discourse and manners’ have moved on?

Maximinimalist · 30/11/2022 19:02

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:01

Agree. When elderly folks make a faux pas, I tend to let it slide. The lady who reportedly said these words is 83. She will have witnessed much change in social discourse and manners in those decades.

Feel sorry for the elderly white lady and not the black victim?

Is there any hope for racist Britain?

YumSushi · 30/11/2022 19:05

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:01

Agree. When elderly folks make a faux pas, I tend to let it slide. The lady who reportedly said these words is 83. She will have witnessed much change in social discourse and manners in those decades.

Shes had 83 years to learn and understand it is not ok

boobybum · 30/11/2022 19:05

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:01

Agree. When elderly folks make a faux pas, I tend to let it slide. The lady who reportedly said these words is 83. She will have witnessed much change in social discourse and manners in those decades.

Just out of interest what is the age cut-off point for accepting this behaviour?

scottishnames · 30/11/2022 19:06

Have just been talking to someone aged 92 who is shocked but not (he says) surprised. Alas. He says colour = privilege and I fear that is so.
For my own part, its the sheer INSULTING AND OFFENSIVE BAD MANNERS of Lay Susan's comment that horrifies me, as well as the racism. I had (naively) thought that - whatever else - the royal family stood for old fashioned values of decency, respect, politesse etc etc ....
Possibly worth pointing out to them and to others that the very earliest known inhabitant of Britain was BLACK: www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/cheddar-man-mesolithic-britain-blue-eyed-boy.html

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:07

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:02

So Black people should tolerate being interrogated because older people are unaware that ‘social discourse and manners’ have moved on?

She wanted to know about her heritage/ancestry. What do you think the elderly lady's intentions were here? To be rude? I would have just answered the question that I knew she was asking. She got there in the end.

KimMumsnet · 30/11/2022 19:08

Hi again, all.

Thanks for your thoughts - we've taken them on board and decide to let the conversation run for the time being. Please do bear in mind that, while disagreement is fine, personal attacks are not. And please do hit Report on any posts you see which break our Talk Guidelines.

hattie43 · 30/11/2022 19:09

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RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:10

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:07

She wanted to know about her heritage/ancestry. What do you think the elderly lady's intentions were here? To be rude? I would have just answered the question that I knew she was asking. She got there in the end.

And she didn’t want to tell her. Why do you think that the ‘elderly lady’s’ desire to know something is more important than Ngozi’s clear desire not to share that information?

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:10

boobybum · 30/11/2022 19:05

Just out of interest what is the age cut-off point for accepting this behaviour?

I would say it is generational. So perhaps a 25 year age difference. Something like that. Our parents probably said things years ago that we wouldn't say today.

Maximinimalist · 30/11/2022 19:11

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:07

She wanted to know about her heritage/ancestry. What do you think the elderly lady's intentions were here? To be rude? I would have just answered the question that I knew she was asking. She got there in the end.

Yes, she did get there in the end. Nice racist exposure for the Royal Family. Let them continue to get there in the end with their low class racist behaviour. They can’t help themselves.

One can only hope they continue to embarrass themselves on an international level.

She definitely got there in the end.

Samcro · 30/11/2022 19:11

Saw this on the news. Can’t believe anyone could not think it was racist.
did find it odd when it was mentioned that she is Williams god mother, it’s not like he chose her

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 30/11/2022 19:13

Samcro · 30/11/2022 19:11

Saw this on the news. Can’t believe anyone could not think it was racist.
did find it odd when it was mentioned that she is Williams god mother, it’s not like he chose her

Charles (and Diana) must have chosen her.

Maximinimalist · 30/11/2022 19:13

They’re even “slamming” each other. Hilarious.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11486513/Prince-William-condemns-unacceptable-comments-godmother-Lady-Susan-Hussey.html

themessygarden · 30/11/2022 19:14

I just saw some photos now, and I can kind of understand why the Lady could have been curious, Ngozi was wearing, what looked like a very traditional ethnic outfit, so in that context it doesn't seem all that strange to ask where are you from, what's your heritage.

I have changed my opinion now, and I think Ngozi was probably being a bit insincere in her replies.

AnnunciataZ · 30/11/2022 19:16

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Do you really not see the difference between someone freely offering up some information about their background and someone being aggressively questioned about it?

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:16

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:10

And she didn’t want to tell her. Why do you think that the ‘elderly lady’s’ desire to know something is more important than Ngozi’s clear desire not to share that information?

I agree that I usually pick up on when people don't want to go down a certain road. I haven't met many people who don't want to talk about their background/heritage though.

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