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myrtleWilson · 30/11/2022 12:42

Awful story just broken on twitter about horrendous racist questioning from Lady Hussey to Ngozi Fulani from Sister Space at yesterdays VAWG event.

Lady Hussey has resigned.

[Edited by MNHQ to correct typo at OP's request]

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AnnunciataZ · 30/11/2022 19:16

An "ethnic outfit", really? 🙄

Discoh · 30/11/2022 19:18

boobybum · 30/11/2022 19:05

Just out of interest what is the age cut-off point for accepting this behaviour?

My grandmother died 25 years ago, she'd be over 100 now. She never came out with any kind of racist or offensive crap. It's not a generational thing imo

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:19

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:16

I agree that I usually pick up on when people don't want to go down a certain road. I haven't met many people who don't want to talk about their background/heritage though.

But, from the transcript, Ngozi clearly did not. And she’s not required to. Continuing to badger her about it was unacceptable behaviour.

pompomdaisy · 30/11/2022 19:19

I doubt even Charles and Diana chose her as godmother. It was probably the Queen!

AnnunciataZ · 30/11/2022 19:20

Same with my gran @Discoh and I think it's actually quite offensive and ageist to assume everyone over 80 must be a bit racist!

YumSushi · 30/11/2022 19:21

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:07

She wanted to know about her heritage/ancestry. What do you think the elderly lady's intentions were here? To be rude? I would have just answered the question that I knew she was asking. She got there in the end.

Why?

Why should she.

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:21

themessygarden · 30/11/2022 19:14

I just saw some photos now, and I can kind of understand why the Lady could have been curious, Ngozi was wearing, what looked like a very traditional ethnic outfit, so in that context it doesn't seem all that strange to ask where are you from, what's your heritage.

I have changed my opinion now, and I think Ngozi was probably being a bit insincere in her replies.

Sooo…she brought it on herself by what she was wearing? Due to her ethnic (seriously?) outfit, she was required to answer any and all questions about her ethnic background and continuing to badger her for answers after she’d demurred is acceptable?

F4chrissakes · 30/11/2022 19:22

In response to TooBigForMyBoots -
"So you think if it's not on a sign, it's not racism? Why did you post about being accused of racism, what did that have to do with what happened to Ngozi?"

Of course racism doesn't have to be on a sign to be racist. I was trying to point out that I was brought up in a time when attitudes were very racist, as I daresay Lady H was. And my point about being accused of racism is that sometimes innocent comments are misconstrued as racism. Although I agree, that Lady H phrased the conversation badly.

YumSushi · 30/11/2022 19:22

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:19

But, from the transcript, Ngozi clearly did not. And she’s not required to. Continuing to badger her about it was unacceptable behaviour.

Yes! And was she interrogating all the other guests in a similar fashion? Asking them questions about their family tree?!

Why didn't she ask about her charity work!

antelopevalley · 30/11/2022 19:23

Part of me can't believe the posters defending racism here.
But then I remember it is MN, and actually sadly I am not surprised.

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:23

YumSushi · 30/11/2022 19:22

Yes! And was she interrogating all the other guests in a similar fashion? Asking them questions about their family tree?!

Why didn't she ask about her charity work!

Apparently, it’s Ngozi’s fault due to her ‘ethnic’ outfit. 🙄

antelopevalley · 30/11/2022 19:24

And those defending the racism either have no understanding of racism at all, or are just trying to deflect and excuse and know it is racism.

YumSushi · 30/11/2022 19:24

themessygarden · 30/11/2022 19:14

I just saw some photos now, and I can kind of understand why the Lady could have been curious, Ngozi was wearing, what looked like a very traditional ethnic outfit, so in that context it doesn't seem all that strange to ask where are you from, what's your heritage.

I have changed my opinion now, and I think Ngozi was probably being a bit insincere in her replies.

If you're interested in someone's dress you say that's a nice outfit. You don't interrogate them.

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:25

antelopevalley · 30/11/2022 19:24

And those defending the racism either have no understanding of racism at all, or are just trying to deflect and excuse and know it is racism.

Or they are just merry racists looking for a fight.

antelopevalley · 30/11/2022 19:25

We had the same here about the Duchess of Kents Blackamoor badge and Camilla's blackamoor statue in her house.
Apparently nothing is racist according to some on here. All racism is imagined and in our heads.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/11/2022 19:25

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:07

She wanted to know about her heritage/ancestry. What do you think the elderly lady's intentions were here? To be rude? I would have just answered the question that I knew she was asking. She got there in the end.

Ngozi Fulani answered the questions. She told Lady SH that she was from Hackney. SH then asked her what part of Africa she was from.🤯 Asked her nationality (answered British) then asked where she "really came from*.🤯🤯 And after that: "when did you first come here"?🤯🤯🤯

Ngozi Fulani was polite, patient and dignified in the face of this rude, racist woman.

SoupDragon · 30/11/2022 19:25

SchrodingersFat · 30/11/2022 19:10

I would say it is generational. So perhaps a 25 year age difference. Something like that. Our parents probably said things years ago that we wouldn't say today.

the point is that would they say those things today. Saying things years ago when it was not considered so rude/offensive/racist/whatever is entirely different to saying it now.

hell, I said things as a child in the 70s that I would absolutely not say now and can see how wrong they were.

themessygarden · 30/11/2022 19:25

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:21

Sooo…she brought it on herself by what she was wearing? Due to her ethnic (seriously?) outfit, she was required to answer any and all questions about her ethnic background and continuing to badger her for answers after she’d demurred is acceptable?

Brought what on herself ?

CustardySergeant · 30/11/2022 19:26

Discoh · 30/11/2022 19:18

My grandmother died 25 years ago, she'd be over 100 now. She never came out with any kind of racist or offensive crap. It's not a generational thing imo

Exactly - similar to what I said about my mother in an earlier post. My father would be 113 if he were still alive and my mother would be 102. Neither of them were racist AT ALL. Being old has nothing to do with it and no one should tolerate racism however ancient the perpetrator may be.

antelopevalley · 30/11/2022 19:26

@RishisProudMum Yes that is very true. They won't get it from me. I am too long in the tooth and recognise the tactics. They all seem to work from the same script when they want to excuse racism or have a fight.

queenofthewild · 30/11/2022 19:27

I'm saddened by the racism. I'm saddened by racist apologists who cant or won't see that people that don't look like them are asked where they "really" come from by strangers on an almost daily basis feel like they don't belong in their own country. But most of all I'm sad that an event which could have done so much good for women has been overshadowed by all the debate.

Maybe all of us on this thread could find a way to make a small donation to Sistah Space (or their local women's aid charity). www.sistahspace.org

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:27

themessygarden · 30/11/2022 19:25

Brought what on herself ?

What is this post, thread and entire conversation about?

antelopevalley · 30/11/2022 19:27

I am in my fifties. Can someone tell me what offensive stuff I am apparently allowed to say because of my age?

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 19:28

antelopevalley · 30/11/2022 19:26

@RishisProudMum Yes that is very true. They won't get it from me. I am too long in the tooth and recognise the tactics. They all seem to work from the same script when they want to excuse racism or have a fight.

Honestly, I agree with you. I should probably stop bothering.

CustardySergeant · 30/11/2022 19:28

antelopevalley · 30/11/2022 19:25

We had the same here about the Duchess of Kents Blackamoor badge and Camilla's blackamoor statue in her house.
Apparently nothing is racist according to some on here. All racism is imagined and in our heads.

It was Princess Michael of Kent not the Duchess of Kent. They are two different people. This has been said several times on this thread already.

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